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To think Rishi will use WW3 as a reason to govern indefinitely

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Glasto73lover · 14/04/2024 07:34

I know I am being VERY cynical here but I think Rishi is waiting for any possible reason to not call an election - it’s very possible that the attacks overnight in the Middle East will give him that reason. They’ll invoke a war cabinet or some mad reason and then stay in power.

He just smirks and laughs every time someone asks him about an election- he needs to call one by November under the terms of our current Parliament.

I am probably being Mega cynical and OTT but I don’t trust the self serving Tories currently in power to do anything that is democratic or in the best interest of the country- they just want to remain in power!!

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Lily193 · 15/04/2024 21:36

Of course he won't. He'll walk away to a job earning millions and leave Labour to deal with it.

luckylavender · 15/04/2024 21:38

@AussiUnHomme - it's actually January

BMW6 · 15/04/2024 21:44

I think the OP has not long left school.

TokyoSushi · 15/04/2024 21:49

Quite the contrary, I think that it might actually bring the election forward, why would you want to deal with 'all this' when you could swan off and live a life of luxury.

Also, July election, summer off, fresh start for the kids at a new school in California in September. Don't tell me he hasn't thought about it.

JessS1990 · 15/04/2024 21:54

TokyoSushi · 15/04/2024 21:49

Quite the contrary, I think that it might actually bring the election forward, why would you want to deal with 'all this' when you could swan off and live a life of luxury.

Also, July election, summer off, fresh start for the kids at a new school in California in September. Don't tell me he hasn't thought about it.

Thinking things through isn't generally a skill I associate with Sunak and his reverse midas touch.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 15/04/2024 22:13

Utter nonsense. Not 'cynical', more 'tinfoil hat'.

MuggedByReality · 15/04/2024 22:13

No, you are not being ‘cynical’. You are actually displaying your ignorance & lack of understanding.

Rishi Sunak may be many things, but an aspiring dictator is definitely not one of them. If you were genuinely knowledgeable about politics you would be aware that he is, in fact, a stickler for following rules & conventions, not flouting them as Boris Johnson did. That’s why flights full of illegal immigrants have not been taking off for Rwanda for the last year. Because Sunak insists on respecting the judgements handed down by both the ECHR & UK Supreme Court, rather than just ignoring the former & abolishing the latter. He is working within the established systems, not trying to undermine them, and is often criticised for doing so by right wing populist politicians lake Suella Braverman.

Sunak is not a threat to our parliamentary democracy. The general election will happen at the time of his choosing between now and the legal limit of the current parliament, as the law says it should. If, as expected, the Tories lose and are unable to form a government in the new parliament he will resign as PM just as Major & Brown did before him when they as incumbent Prime Ministers lost general elections.

JessS1990 · 15/04/2024 22:28

MuggedByReality · 15/04/2024 22:13

No, you are not being ‘cynical’. You are actually displaying your ignorance & lack of understanding.

Rishi Sunak may be many things, but an aspiring dictator is definitely not one of them. If you were genuinely knowledgeable about politics you would be aware that he is, in fact, a stickler for following rules & conventions, not flouting them as Boris Johnson did. That’s why flights full of illegal immigrants have not been taking off for Rwanda for the last year. Because Sunak insists on respecting the judgements handed down by both the ECHR & UK Supreme Court, rather than just ignoring the former & abolishing the latter. He is working within the established systems, not trying to undermine them, and is often criticised for doing so by right wing populist politicians lake Suella Braverman.

Sunak is not a threat to our parliamentary democracy. The general election will happen at the time of his choosing between now and the legal limit of the current parliament, as the law says it should. If, as expected, the Tories lose and are unable to form a government in the new parliament he will resign as PM just as Major & Brown did before him when they as incumbent Prime Ministers lost general elections.

In the interests of factual accuracy I would like to point out that Sunak did indeed break the same covid laws that their own government had introduced as Johnson did.
And that Sunak was perfectly happy to sit next to and support Johnson as the latter lied to parliament about their lawbreaking.

kittensinthekitchen · 16/04/2024 10:51

Some people shouldn't be allowed Internet access.

CormorantStrikesBack · 16/04/2024 10:59

We could literally be having ballistic missiles fired at us and he would still have to call an election in the timeframe.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 11:28

CormorantStrikesBack · 16/04/2024 10:59

We could literally be having ballistic missiles fired at us and he would still have to call an election in the timeframe.

Not if parliament voted not to.

1dayatatime · 16/04/2024 11:29

Ahhh - MN descends to Twitter levels of conspiracy theories.

divinededacende · 16/04/2024 13:18

You can't just invoke a war cabinet. It would need the consent of parliament as a whole to extend the term of a government which is what happened in WW2. The difference there was that there was a sense of unity against a common enemy. A war now wouldn't have the same level of consensus. A war now would also look very different to a war back then (nukes aside).

I know the Tories are power hungry snakes (not that figures in other parties aren't either) who will undermine the law to get what they want but there are certain things where there are checks and balances in place. Yes, they prorogued parliament but it was slapped down by the courts.

divinededacende · 16/04/2024 13:25

JessS1990 · 15/04/2024 22:28

In the interests of factual accuracy I would like to point out that Sunak did indeed break the same covid laws that their own government had introduced as Johnson did.
And that Sunak was perfectly happy to sit next to and support Johnson as the latter lied to parliament about their lawbreaking.

That's a politician breaking the law as an individual though, it's relevant to how we judge them and their suitability to govern as it's something that seems to be becoming more prevalent but it's slightly different to the point @MuggedByReality is making - which I mostly agree with.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 13:25

You can't just invoke a war cabinet. It would need the consent of parliament as a whole to extend the term of a government which is what happened in WW2.

What it would need is a majority in the House of Commons. The same group of august statespeople who have just passed a law defining reality to "help" the courts.

Rainyaprilmonday · 16/04/2024 13:29

He's waiting to see if the local elections in May are as devastating for the Tories as predicted. Then he could well call an election for July before the summer recess.

JessS1990 · 16/04/2024 13:37

divinededacende · 16/04/2024 13:25

That's a politician breaking the law as an individual though, it's relevant to how we judge them and their suitability to govern as it's something that seems to be becoming more prevalent but it's slightly different to the point @MuggedByReality is making - which I mostly agree with.

One is hardly a stickler for rules, if one broke the law whilst at work...

JessS1990 · 16/04/2024 13:38

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 13:25

You can't just invoke a war cabinet. It would need the consent of parliament as a whole to extend the term of a government which is what happened in WW2.

What it would need is a majority in the House of Commons. The same group of august statespeople who have just passed a law defining reality to "help" the courts.

Don't forget also it is the same fine group of people who repealled the 1824 Vagrancy Act in 2022 so decriminalising being homeless, who are in the process of passing a bill that makes being homeless a crime.

You couldn't make it up.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 13:41

JessS1990 · 16/04/2024 13:37

One is hardly a stickler for rules, if one broke the law whilst at work...

Especially if one's work is making laws.

(Incidentally has anyone else noticed the effect of AI written articles in the UK online press ? "lawmakers" and "seniors" for example ...)

Whatwillitbenext · 16/04/2024 13:47

RishiSunak · 14/04/2024 07:35

I won't.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Glasto73lover · 16/04/2024 19:08

Lol - I love how absolutely certain everyone is that this is just a mad conspiracy.

We have had Suella Braverman as Home Secretary who was power crazed and insane, Liz Truss who managed to crash the economy in a week and a load of MPs who frankly shouldn’t be anywhere near public office.

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JessS1990 · 16/04/2024 20:00

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 13:41

Especially if one's work is making laws.

(Incidentally has anyone else noticed the effect of AI written articles in the UK online press ? "lawmakers" and "seniors" for example ...)

I had a play with some AI asking it questions which had definite write answers, the number of times it came back with either irrelevant rubbish or outright wrong answers was impressive. I couldn't help but wonder if it was based on Boris.

JessS1990 · 16/04/2024 20:01

Glasto73lover · 16/04/2024 19:08

Lol - I love how absolutely certain everyone is that this is just a mad conspiracy.

We have had Suella Braverman as Home Secretary who was power crazed and insane, Liz Truss who managed to crash the economy in a week and a load of MPs who frankly shouldn’t be anywhere near public office.

Just today the Prime Minister has intervened in whether or not a group of right wing nutjobs should be allowed to have a small meeting in another country, that frankly has nothing to do with us.

NoisySnail · 16/04/2024 20:14

Sunak looks like he has given up. Not doing anything he can to stay as Prime Minister. He acts like he is serving his notice.

LoyalMember · 17/04/2024 10:59

Ffs, you need to get the tinfoil hat off...

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