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to think the Carer's Allowance scandal shows the uncaringness of the DWP

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cakeorwine · 13/04/2024 08:17

In a nutshell - if you get Carer's Allowance, you are supposed to only claim it if you earn below a certain amount. If you go over that amount, you can't claim it.

If you go over that amount and don't tell the DWP, you have to pay it back. But say you went over by 30 p. you would have to pay back not 30p but ALL of it.

The DWP know if you have earnt over the amount. But they don't tell you. They let it build up. And then prosecute you.

‘They’re heartless’: how one woman fell victim to the carer’s allowance trap | Carers | The Guardian

"On weekends when her daughter stays with her father, Moon worked part-time at Tesco earning £9.50 an hour. This would comfortably keep her under the earnings threshold of £127 a week at the time, especially when deducting allowances for fuel and pension payments – or so she thought.
The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) contacted Moon in 2019 to say she had breached the earnings limit and would need to pay back every penny – or she would be taken to court.
Moon, terrified, contacted Citizens Advice for help. It analysed her payslips going back to July 2016, when she started work at Tesco, and found that – even on the strictest understanding of the DWP’s rules – she had exceeded the earnings limit by about £3 most of those weeks. Some weeks it was as little as 50p over.
She appealed for clemency but the DWP refused to budge. It refused her offer to pay back the amount she was not entitled to – about £800 over the course of three and a half years.
Instead, she would have to pay back every penny of carer’s allowance over that period – known as the DWP’s “cliff edge”. It amounted to £11,292.75 – plus an additional £50 civil penalty."

And the DWP response:

“Claimants have a responsibility to inform DWP of any changes in their circumstances that could impact their award, and it is right that we recover taxpayers’ money when this has not occurred.”

‘They’re heartless’: how one woman fell victim to the carer’s allowance trap

Karina Moon, who is sole carer for her daughter most of the week, was told she needed to repay £11,292.75 or be prosecuted for fraud

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/how-one-woman-fell-victim-carers-allowance-trap-karina-moon

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Fluffywigg · 26/04/2024 19:40

Headfirstintothewild · 26/04/2024 19:32

The rules for DLA and carer’s allowance those with DC in residential school are complex. This document explains them.

Thank you so much for the link I will have a look.

My nephew is in his 30’s and has ASD and LD so will never be independent and lives with my sister. The last year they have been discussing residential care.

I was just reading this thread which prompted me to ask the question. If DN goes to residential care but comes home Friday tea time and returns to residential Monday morning - Would my sis still be entitled to Carers Allowance? It all sounds so complicated!

Fluffywigg · 26/04/2024 19:53

Headfirstintothewild · 26/04/2024 19:32

The rules for DLA and carer’s allowance those with DC in residential school are complex. This document explains them.

I’ve just read through the document you linked for me and it answers my question perfectly. Thanks so much for that, much appreciated!

Headfirstintothewild · 26/04/2024 19:56

Fluffywigg · 26/04/2024 19:53

I’ve just read through the document you linked for me and it answers my question perfectly. Thanks so much for that, much appreciated!

You are welcome. It was much easier to link to the document than try to explain all the variables. It is complex and you can’t consider the CA without first considering the PIP.

flowertoday · 26/04/2024 20:22

I just hope that this government with it's cruelty, stupidity and incompetence is on it's way out. It is 100% a political problem that these things go on .
It is mind blowing that carers are treated so badly. The benefits system is in a shocking state, and as always the poorest and most vulnerable that must suffer the most.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 27/04/2024 09:11

I'm so pleased thos is being kept relevant x

Thank you @cakeorwine xxx

PerkingFaintly · 27/04/2024 09:19

I know this government doesn't care about human suffering, but even from a financial point of view it should be cherishing carers, not tormenting them.

I can't see a good reason for there to be any means-testing; it should go by the 35 hours of care. And I can't see any good reason for it to be cliff-edged.

IvorTheEngineDriver · 27/04/2024 09:22

Never ceases to amaze me how, carrying stories like this, Guardian commentators can still sing the praises of public services over private ones.

There is not a ha'porth of difference between the two.

pointythings · 27/04/2024 09:28

IvorTheEngineDriver · 27/04/2024 09:22

Never ceases to amaze me how, carrying stories like this, Guardian commentators can still sing the praises of public services over private ones.

There is not a ha'porth of difference between the two.

You seriously think that privatising the DWP for profit is going to make things better for people? 😂

GoldenSpraint · 27/04/2024 09:31

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IClaudine · 27/04/2024 09:39

IvorTheEngineDriver · 27/04/2024 09:22

Never ceases to amaze me how, carrying stories like this, Guardian commentators can still sing the praises of public services over private ones.

There is not a ha'porth of difference between the two.

Never ceases to amaze me that people can't make the link between the massuve cuts to the numbers of civil servants, especially older more experienced staff, and the resulting deterioration of services.

IClaudine · 27/04/2024 09:41

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That is ridiculous. I am so sorry this happened to you.

Winolicious · 27/04/2024 09:48

So glad I found this thread I am in this predicament where I currently claim CA and am waiting to hear back if I have a job offer. I haven’t worked for several years to care for my son and now in the quandary do I just give up my CA if I’m offered the job or ask potential employer to offer me less hours which defeats the purpose of going back to work? It sounded simple on paper when I read up about the pros and cons of working and claiming CA but this has made me think do I need or want the hassle and stress of claiming while this shitshow is going on?

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 27/04/2024 10:07

Glad I found this page I fear I have fallen into an overpayment for December. Didn’t realise work had finally paid me for the training I did In August before I started new job. My childcare wasn’t very high in December as term time only. I’m was over for December so I informed CA but all payments were stopped in March while they investigate. I’m still waiting to head back how much I’ll owe will it be just December pay I owe or all carers allowance back? It’s so confusing haven’t been over any other months. Anyway I’ve handed my notice in as too difficult to continue trying to work, care and work it all out.

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 27/04/2024 10:08

Sorry lots of spelling mistakes and bad grammar but down to lack of sleep.

Winolicious · 27/04/2024 10:18

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 27/04/2024 10:07

Glad I found this page I fear I have fallen into an overpayment for December. Didn’t realise work had finally paid me for the training I did In August before I started new job. My childcare wasn’t very high in December as term time only. I’m was over for December so I informed CA but all payments were stopped in March while they investigate. I’m still waiting to head back how much I’ll owe will it be just December pay I owe or all carers allowance back? It’s so confusing haven’t been over any other months. Anyway I’ve handed my notice in as too difficult to continue trying to work, care and work it all out.

God that’s awful that you’ve had to hand in your notice 😕 this government and their shit systems are disgusting! Maybe they should crack down on the work shy scroungers that have been sitting on they’re arses for years milking the system instead of penalising carers, this country makes me sick!

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 27/04/2024 10:47

It’s extremely stressful. I’m sad as I gave up nursing a few years back to care but was struggling financially after going through savings. I then managed to find this great job that enabled me to work 4 hours a day term time only so I could still attended hospital, school and CAHMs appointments and I didn’t have to struggle with childcare in half term as this was always very difficult. I’m gutted and disappointed in myself for being so stupid and not realising.

DahliaMacNamara · 27/04/2024 10:49

People being forced to give up work for fear of accidentally overstepping an arbitrary limit, and being punished way out of proportion for this error, is fucking hideous, especially when they are already saving the taxpayer thousands upon thousands of pounds.. It's beyond me why any rational person doesn't see this.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 27/04/2024 10:50

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 27/04/2024 10:47

It’s extremely stressful. I’m sad as I gave up nursing a few years back to care but was struggling financially after going through savings. I then managed to find this great job that enabled me to work 4 hours a day term time only so I could still attended hospital, school and CAHMs appointments and I didn’t have to struggle with childcare in half term as this was always very difficult. I’m gutted and disappointed in myself for being so stupid and not realising.

Please don't beat yourself up x I'm so sorry you're going through this x it's a ridiculous trap you've fallen into as have many others x sending love and solidarity x

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 27/04/2024 10:57

Thank you.

EarlofShrewsbury · 27/04/2024 10:59

What pisses me off is they deduct it from UC as its classed as income.

That's fair enough but if income is from paid work they deduct it at a rate of 55%, but carers 'income' is deducted at 100%.

I don't think that is fair.

Headfirstintothewild · 27/04/2024 11:10

EarlofShrewsbury · 27/04/2024 10:59

What pisses me off is they deduct it from UC as its classed as income.

That's fair enough but if income is from paid work they deduct it at a rate of 55%, but carers 'income' is deducted at 100%.

I don't think that is fair.

It is deducted £ for £ because it is classed as unearned income so is deducted £ for £ like other unearned income such as pensions and royalties. Whereas earnings from work isn’t classed as unearned income.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 27/04/2024 11:13

Headfirstintothewild · 27/04/2024 11:10

It is deducted £ for £ because it is classed as unearned income so is deducted £ for £ like other unearned income such as pensions and royalties. Whereas earnings from work isn’t classed as unearned income.

Which is madness because caring for someone 35 hours a week is working. Paid for carers do what unpaid carers do and it's classed as work. So why is it different if you happen to be related to the person you ate caring for? That's the baffling thing.

EatCrow · 27/04/2024 11:18

AngeloMysterioso · 13/04/2024 08:19

Did anyone ever think the DWP was caring?! This sounds pretty on-brand for them…

Exactly this. Once people accept that the government (and its subsidiaries such as the dwp) don’t actually give a shit about them, it all makes sense.

Never expect things to change because they won’t.

Winolicious · 27/04/2024 11:18

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 27/04/2024 10:47

It’s extremely stressful. I’m sad as I gave up nursing a few years back to care but was struggling financially after going through savings. I then managed to find this great job that enabled me to work 4 hours a day term time only so I could still attended hospital, school and CAHMs appointments and I didn’t have to struggle with childcare in half term as this was always very difficult. I’m gutted and disappointed in myself for being so stupid and not realising.

You’ve done absolutely nothing wrong but what everyone else in our position wants to do which is go to work and earn some more money while caring. They DWP are hell bent on stopping us from doing this as they don’t care about carers or the vulnerable, the sick or the disabled. The government would be happy if we all just disappeared! I’m so sorry you are going through this. I’ve decided if I get this job I will stop getting carers as I will still be earning slightly more than I would be getting it and I will have a chance to get back into work and save my sanity aswell as caring. Take care xx

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