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When does someone change from a boyfriend to a partner?

124 replies

Samlewis96 · 12/04/2024 08:04

Thought of this when reading another thread. Ones of the replies was that " you don't live together so he's not your partner" So when does someone become a partner. Is it only relying on living together?

OP posts:
Whatineed · 15/04/2024 08:50

I'm 53 so I feel ridiculous describing my significant other as a boyfriend. It's an age thing for me. We don't live together but I refer to him as partner and he describes me this way too.

Beachywave · 15/04/2024 08:52

jeaux90 · 12/04/2024 08:14

When you are over 30.

I agree. I think it's an age thing.... boyfriend sounds young to me.

AcheyBalzac · 15/04/2024 10:29

I dislike both terms.

Know people in early 20s who use partner to confer a sense of seriousness and commitment to a relationship.

People in 30s, 40s referring to a boyfriend. Besides anything, what are you going to say if you’re 6 months or a year in and are not committed to a long term future but are properly going out, ie not just dating.

And as a few people have also mentioned above, ‘partner’ gives me the ick.

It’s not a universal rule by any means

Samlewis96 · 15/04/2024 10:42

AcheyBalzac · 15/04/2024 10:29

I dislike both terms.

Know people in early 20s who use partner to confer a sense of seriousness and commitment to a relationship.

People in 30s, 40s referring to a boyfriend. Besides anything, what are you going to say if you’re 6 months or a year in and are not committed to a long term future but are properly going out, ie not just dating.

And as a few people have also mentioned above, ‘partner’ gives me the ick.

It’s not a universal rule by any means

What do you reckon is a good term for someone you have been together with for a decade then?

OP posts:
aurynne · 15/04/2024 11:17

Perhaps we should invent a new term for older girlfriends/boyfriends? "Manfriend/Womanfriend"? "Gentfriend/Ladyfriend"?

cakecoffeecakecoffee · 15/04/2024 11:22

I’m not keen the term partner but each to their own. I went from boyfriend to husband.

but if I were to define it, I’d say once lives becomes a partnership and are joined somehow. Financially, or emotionally or through living together.

if I was dating someone with no further commitments then I’d not consider them a partner.

CurlewKate · 15/04/2024 11:26

@aurynne "Perhaps we should invent a new term for older girlfriends/boyfriends? "Manfriend/Womanfriend"? "Gentfriend/Ladyfriend"?"

We have. Partner. And

AcheyBalzac · 15/04/2024 11:52

Samlewis96 · 15/04/2024 10:42

What do you reckon is a good term for someone you have been together with for a decade then?

Whatever you want, it’s completely personal to the people concerned!

AcheyBalzac · 15/04/2024 11:57

aurynne · 15/04/2024 11:17

Perhaps we should invent a new term for older girlfriends/boyfriends? "Manfriend/Womanfriend"? "Gentfriend/Ladyfriend"?

‘the man who lives in my house’

I feel like ‘my fella’ fits, but it’s just not naturally in my vocabulary so would never use it

In Germany I think ‘my man’ / ‘my woman’ doubles up both as husband/wife (mein Mann/meine Frau) and ‘partner’ (ie long term relationship / cohabiters who are not married). Easier and less cringe!

AcheyBalzac · 15/04/2024 11:58

CurlewKate · 15/04/2024 11:26

@aurynne "Perhaps we should invent a new term for older girlfriends/boyfriends? "Manfriend/Womanfriend"? "Gentfriend/Ladyfriend"?"

We have. Partner. And

🥱

CurlewKate · 15/04/2024 12:08

"Whatever you want, it’s completely personal to the people concerned!"

I agree. So why do people who don't need a word have such strong opinions about it? It's just weird. If I were a true mumsnetter, I'd put it down to jealousy!🤣I do suspect, however, that there is a, possibly unconscious, feeling that people being happily unmarried and having a name that sounds permanent chips away at the idea of marriage as promotion.

Dacadactyl · 15/04/2024 16:59

@CurlewKate I think the opposite. That "partner" elevates a position that means nothing in legal terms to try to give it meaning.

CurlewKate · 15/04/2024 18:56

@Dacadactyl I still don't know what word I am supposed to use. As I said. Nearly 40 years. Two children. Legal provisions in place. I'm not going to call him my gentleman friend when I introduce him to colleagues!

CloudywMeatballs · 15/04/2024 19:00

I've never referred to anyone as my partner. I've had boyfriends. Two of those boyfriends have then become fiancés and then husbands.

But I would assume if someone referred to their partner, it would imply a long term committed relationship, probably living together. Just because you have been dating someone for a year doesn't make them your partner.

AcheyBalzac · 16/04/2024 09:13

Dacadactyl · 15/04/2024 16:59

@CurlewKate I think the opposite. That "partner" elevates a position that means nothing in legal terms to try to give it meaning.

It seems that’s kind of exactly what @CurlewKate is saying. That some people are protective of the special status of marriage and feel ‘partner’ is an unwelcome pretender that makes them feel uncomfortable.

There is meaning in people’s lives outside of legal definitions you know!

(Although as mentioned above, I’m not particularly a fan of partner just as I don’t enjoy the word. I’m not married, don’t have any particular intention of doing so, although I do cohabit)

Laikalaika · 18/04/2024 13:50

CurlewKate · 15/04/2024 12:08

"Whatever you want, it’s completely personal to the people concerned!"

I agree. So why do people who don't need a word have such strong opinions about it? It's just weird. If I were a true mumsnetter, I'd put it down to jealousy!🤣I do suspect, however, that there is a, possibly unconscious, feeling that people being happily unmarried and having a name that sounds permanent chips away at the idea of marriage as promotion.

It's not unconscious at all. I absolutely do believe that marriage is better.

K0OLA1D · 18/04/2024 14:59

Laikalaika · 18/04/2024 13:50

It's not unconscious at all. I absolutely do believe that marriage is better.

Better? In what way? Me and DP are happily together unmarried. We've had friends who have married, divorced and married again in the time we've been together. Don't quite see how that is 'better'

CurlewKate · 18/04/2024 19:44

@Laikalaika "It's not unconscious at all. I absolutely do believe that marriage is better."

In what way? And are you saying that long term unmarried people should not have a name to call themselves?

Laikalaika · 21/04/2024 18:52

Why would anyone get married if they didn't think marriage was better than just cohabiting?

I doubt that everyone getting married is saying their vows through gritted teeth, thinking "this is so bad, but remember the tax benefits".

As for me personally, here are the reasons why I think marriage is better. I know there are many exceptions to the below, but this is the data.

Cohabitees are more likely to separate than married couples
“Children born to cohabiting parents were almost three times as likely as those born to married parents to no longer be living with both these parents when they were 5 years old”.1

Having children outside of marriage increases the risk of marriage breakdown
“76 per cent of mothers who married before giving birth remained intact, compared to 44 per cent of those who married after they had their first child”.2

Married people are happier
“even when controlling for pre-marital life satisfaction levels, those who marry are more satisfied than those who remain single… the benefits of marriage persist in the long-term”.4

Married women live healthier lifestyles
“Smoking, recreational drug usage and depressive symptoms were much lower for continuously married women than for all other women”.5

Married men are healthier
“…after adjustment of potentially confounding variables, the risk of mortality from cardiovascular disease, respiratory disease, external causes, and all causes was two- to three-
fold higher for never-married than for married men”.6

There are fewer mental health issues for married couples
“Marriage was associated with reduced risk of the first onset of most mental disorders in both men and women”.7

Children of married parents have better health
Pre-school age children were almost three times more likely to be significantly overweight
(BMI equal to or greater than the 95th percentile) if they grew up in an “unstable cohabiting” home compared to a “stable married” home.8

“Compared to children living with married parents, children who lived in other family types, including other stable families, were more likely to display externalising behavioural
problems at age 5”.9

Children aged 5 to 10 years old are nearly three times more likely to have mental health issues living with a lone parent and twice as likely with cohabiting parents, compared to living with married parents

Married couples are richer than cohabitees
“Tracking the earnings of comparable men for a decade from 2009 showed a correlation between income increase and family structure. For men who married during this time their income grew 58.8%, while for cohabitees their income grew by 46.4%.”11

Children of married couples are more likely to move out of poverty than children of unmarried parents
“An American study found that there was an 80% chance of moving out of poverty for those born in poverty to married parents, compared to 50% for those born in poverty to unmarried
parents.”12

Unmarried mothers experience more violence
Twice as many unmarried mothers reported that their partner used force in their relationship compared to married mothers.13

Adolescent children from fatherless homes are more likely to be incarcerated
Adolescents from fatherless homes are three times more likely to be incarcerated by the age of 30 than those from intact families.14

EDUCATION
Children of married parents fare better at school
Comparing married, cohabiting and single parent families, children from married homes:
• Get the best grades in school;
• Are least likely to be expelled;
• Are least likely to have other problems at school.15

1 Holmes, J and Kiernan, K, ‘Fragile Families in the UK: evidence from the Millennium Cohort Study – Draft Report’, University of
York (2010), pages 2 and 22
2 Marriage Foundation, March 2015, https://marriagefoundation.org.uk/first-comes-love-then-comes-marriage-tying-the-knot-
before-first-baby-is-a-key-ingredient-for-marriage-success/ accessed 24 February 2023
3 The long term effect of marriage on social mobility, Marriage Foundation, January 2018, https://marriagefoundation.org.uk/
wp-content/uploads/2018/01/MF-paper-Social-mobility-January-2018.pdf accessed 6 March 2023
4 Grover, S and Helliwell, J F, ‘How’s Life at Home? New Evidence on Marriage and the Set Points for Happiness’, Journal of Hap-
piness Studies (2019) 20, pages 384-385
5 Family Structure Still Matters, The Centre for Social Justice, August 2020, https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/
uploads/2020/10/CSJJ8372-Family-structure-Report-200807.pdf accessed 9 March 2023
6 Ikeda, A, Iso, H, Toyoshima, H et al, ‘Marital Status and Mortality Among Japanese Men And Women: The Japan Collaborative
Cohort Study’, BMC Public Health (2007) 7(73), page 4
7 Scott, K, Wells, J E, Angermeyer M et al, ‘Gender and the Relationship Between Marital Status and First onset of Mood, Anxiety
and Substance Use Disorder’, Psychological Medicine (2010) 40(9)
8 Waldfogel, J, Craige, T, and Brooks-Gunn, J, ‘Fragile Families and Child Wellbeing’, The Future of Children (2010) 20(2), pages
102 and 105
9 The Centre for Social Justice, Op cit, page 14
10 Children whose families struggle to get on are more likely to have mental disorders, Office for National Statistics, 26 March
2019, https://bit.ly/3Faxq9o accessed 24 February 2023
11 The Centre for Social Justice, Op cit, page 7
12 Ibid, page 9
13 Ibid, page 16
14 Harper, C and McLanahan, S, ‘Father’s Absence and Youth Incarceration’, Journal of Research on Adolescence (2004) 14(3),
pages 382-3
15 Manning, W and Lamb, K, ‘Adolescent Well-Being in Cohabitating, Married, and Single-Parent Families’, Journal of Marriage
and Family (2003) 65(4), page 885

CurlewKate · 22/04/2024 08:36

@Laikalaika The problem with your data a that it's comparing married couples and all other people. Including one night stands, for example. It is completely meaningless.

SuzetteDeFarcey · 22/04/2024 08:46

When you turn 40.

Laikalaika · 22/04/2024 11:53

CurlewKate · 22/04/2024 08:36

@Laikalaika The problem with your data a that it's comparing married couples and all other people. Including one night stands, for example. It is completely meaningless.

No, only one piece of data from that list was comparing married couples with those in unstable relationships. Most are comparing married couples to cohabiting partners.

K0OLA1D · 22/04/2024 11:53

SuzetteDeFarcey · 22/04/2024 08:46

When you turn 40.

I've had a partner for 13 years and I'm only 33

DilemmaDelilah · 22/04/2024 13:10

I think a partner is somebody with whom you share your life. Usually when you live together but not always. When your first thought for a holiday is together and not with the boys/girls. When you naturally expect to spend time together and not spending time together is not the norm. When you can just 'be' rather than going on dates. When you can rely on them to help you out when they can and you would do the same for them. Somebody who you would like to be with you if you have a frightening hospital appointment and who is willing to do that. And lots more!

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