Have you damaged the life of a child?

[LargeSquareRock]

The Cass Review into child’s gender services is out. For those of us who have been following this for years, it really is a No Shit Sherlock moment. All of our beliefs and fears for what is happening to vulnerable children (mainly autistic, traumatised or same-sex attracted girls) is set out in black and white.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

So,

Every doctor, psychologist and therapist who ignored evidence and went along with this medical scandal and who set a child on the path of no return to future infertility, osteoporosis, increased heart disease and dementia risk, lower IQ and foreshortened life span;

Every school counsellor who felt they were Rosa Parks, whispering secrets to vulnerable kids and damaging the parent-child relationship;

Every teacher who adopted gender ideology and actively poured poison into their student’s ears;

Every teacher who shut down a student who wasn’t toeing the party line;

Every teacher who made girls feel ashamed for not being happy about sharing toilets with boys;

Every social worker who damaged the parent-child relationship and threatened parents with consequences for not affirming their child’s trans identity;

Every child’s friend’s “cool” parent who claimed their home was a sanctuary from the child’s bigoted parents;

Every autism organisation staff member or volunteer who swallowed the nonsense whole and damaged a generation of autistic girls;

Every person who cut off friends when they raised concerns about trans ideology and kids;

Every Facebook group moderator who blocked members raising the mildest questioning of gender ideology, then out up the sickening virtue signalling post about “no hate allowed”;

Every single person who chanted “protect trans kids” without knowing a single thing about the issues;

Every sports coach who allowed boys into the girl’s teams and berated objecting parents and girls as bigots;

Every separated parent going along with the child’s trans nonsense to get back at the other parent.;

Everyone who has ever donated to Mermaids;

Every single person who blindly believed that a parent’s doubts about transitioning their child were based on transphobia and bigotry, not love and concern;

Everyone who has ever told a child that society hates them because of their trans identity;

Every parent who didn’t do their due diligence and happily went along with their child and who enjoyed the attention of having a trans child;

Every politician (pretty much all of them) who decided to ride this one out, even though they could see the harm occurring in real time

This disaster, ruining the lives of a generation of children, is on you.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Very powerful.

[Guavafish1]

I'm not sure you can conclude all that from the report.

[PineappleTime]

@Guavafish1

I'm not sure you can conclude all that from the report.

Have you read the report?

[Guavafish1]

@PineappleTime

Have you read the report?

Yes I have

[Hoplittlebunnyhophophopandstop]

I’m a proud TERF but OP your post is hyperbole and is the exact thing the report says has made this issue more difficult to explore. We need to drop the need to win or be ‘on the right side of history’ and look at ways to move forward in a way that doesn’t alienate people.

[Josette77]

Can this be moved to the GC feminism board?

[Lougle]

I think that's a bit harsh. Most people are doing their best with the information they have. Hopefully, most people will adjust their views once the report is more widely known about.

I'm fiercely GC but to suggest that all of those groups of people were willfully damaging children is unfair. They were just trying to support them, without the knowledge that they were harming them.

[LargeSquareRock]

@Josette77

Can this be moved to the GC feminism board?

Why? There are threads there already analysing Cass.

[LargeSquareRock]

@Hoplittlebunnyhophophopandstop

I’m a proud TERF but OP your post is hyperbole and is the exact thing the report says has made this issue more difficult to explore. We need to drop the need to win or be ‘on the right side of history’ and look at ways to move forward in a way that doesn’t alienate people.

I take your point and admit I used to be all about the golden bridge. I have moved on to see the rusted on gender ideology supporters like Helen Joyce describes- fighting on like Japanese soldiers long after WW2 has ended. These people will continue to cause untold damage.

[LargeSquareRock]

@Lougle

I think that's a bit harsh. Most people are doing their best with the information they have. Hopefully, most people will adjust their views once the report is more widely known about.

I'm fiercely GC but to suggest that all of those groups of people were willfully damaging children is unfair. They were just trying to support them, without the knowledge that they were harming them.

Most of those on my list are professionals who should be up to date in child development and safeguarding. I don’t think I am being harsh enough about them.

As for parents, I accept some have been scared into transing their child by professionals who should know better. I guess I have come off a string of discussions with 3 mothers, all transing their autistic daughters. Not a single one had read anything about the effects of PB. One chatted happily about her daughter’s upcoming appointment at Queensland Children’s Hospital gender clinic and her hope she would walk away with a prescription for PBs. In our next conversation in a completely different context, she talked about how she couldn’t wait to be a grandparent one day. Her daughter is an only child. I have lost sympathy in people like this.

[Guavafish1]

I can't imagine they would prescribe puberty blockers without discussing the effects on the child first.

[PineappleTime]

@Guavafish1

I can't imagine they would prescribe puberty blockers without discussing the effects on the child first.

You can't imagine they would? Or they have? Because that's exactly part of the problem. Until very recently the NHS website stated they are reversible and safe. So they were not discussing the effects on the child openly.

[Josette77]

@LargeSquareRock

Why? There are threads there already analysing Cass.

In that case why did you feel the need to start one on aibu?

Trans topics don't need to be everywhere on MN.

[LargeSquareRock]

@Josette77

In that case why did you feel the need to start one on aibu?

Trans topics don't need to be everywhere on MN.

Topics about the massive failures in safeguarding children belong everywhere.

If you get butthurt about it, scroll on.

[Guavafish1]

They would have explained the side effects of the drug, relative to the effects on adults and other conditions.

They will receive puberty blockers in clinical trial capacity now.

[LargeSquareRock]

@Guavafish1

They would have explained the side effects of the drug, relative to the effects on adults and other conditions.

They will receive puberty blockers in clinical trial capacity now.

According to former BBC journalist Hannah Barnes, who wrote Time to Think, there is a strong possibility that PBs will never be available on clinical trials as a proper trial would fail at the Ethics committee.

And a common theme from detransitioners is that they were never told about the potential side effects, especially the life changing ones. Perhaps it was hidden away in a leaflet somewhere, but the open, deep diving counselling and therapy never happened- these children were issued PB prescriptions after 1 or 2 sessions at the Tavistock.

Even dyed in the wool TRA Freddy McConnell, of Man has Baby fame, expressed surprise that a double mastectomy meant she couldn’t breastfeed.

[LargeSquareRock]

@Guavafish1

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/29/children-referred-puberty-blockers-just-one-consultation-tavistock/

Can you genuinely believe a clinician could impart the life changing health risks and side effects of puberty blockers to a child or their parent in 1 or 2 sessions? Keeping in mind that the mentality of these clinicians is that any exploratory therapy is akin to conversion therapy.

[Guavafish1]

I do believe they can, especially as the data is limited in this field.

[RecycleMePlease]

They would have explained the side effects of the drug, relative to the effects on adults and other conditions.

When I was a child, being very short, I went to my GP (with an adult) to explore any options.

I came >< this close to taking hormones to increase my height. All they did was give me and my parents a leaflet on them. There was no sitting down and discussing (and no internet at the time). I read the leaflet. Decided being short was better than the common side-effects.

Or in pregnancy, being obese, the consultant wanted to prescribe me aspirin. Again, just gave me a leaflet and told me to take them. I read the leaflet, did my research, decided that in my case it wasn't the right plan to take the aspirin.

If you think doctors take the time to sit down and walk people through the side -effects - of basic or complicated drugs, then I'd suggest that you've either been lucky with your HCPs, or haven't ever been on them.

[JacquesHarlow]

@LargeSquareRock

Topics about the massive failures in safeguarding children belong everywhere.

If you get butthurt about it, scroll on.

Nah, you just wanted your own little thread on “the big forum” @LargeSquareRock - no need to insult the person to cover that fact.

[LargeSquareRock]

@Guavafish1

I do believe they can, especially as the data is limited in this field.

Right. So an 11 year old girl comes in. She has ASD, GAD and her mum and dad recently split and her beloved granny has just died of breast cancer.

Even with the trans activists trying to spike studies into gender distress in children, the following has been known for years and your friendly local Tavistock clinician would know this too-

1. 8-9 out of 10 kids will desist if left alone
2. There is extremely limited evidence about PB effects, because clinics doesn’t follow up with patients or conduct any longitudinal studies. In act, we don’t know how many desist because we don’t ask.
3. We don’t know if prescribing PB will relieve your gender distress in the medium or long term because we don’t ask.
4. 97% of kids on PBs go on to cross sex hormones
5. Cross sex hormones will almost certainly result in your infertility, may make you inorgasmic, likely will cause your vagina to atrophy, might result in yiu needing a hysterectomy, likely will cause permanent sexual dysfunction, will put you at the same risk of heart disease, osteoporosis and dementia as a post-menopausal woman. This will happen in your 20s, not your 60s.
6. No-one will actually see you as a man
7. Regardless of whether you go on to cross sex hormones, your body will miss out on the critical period of laying down bone density for the period you are on blockers. Ever wonder why so many young trans identified women use walking sticks? It’s because your bones will be brittle. For the rest of your life.
8. None of your other problems will go away.

All of the above has been known for at least 7 years. In one to two sessions, explain how an 11 year old could be made to understand the above, particularly about loss of sexual function and infertility.

[Guavafish1]

@RecycleMePlease

They would have explained the side effects of the drug, relative to the effects on adults and other conditions.

When I was a child, being very short, I went to my GP (with an adult) to explore any options.

I came >< this close to taking hormones to increase my height. All they did was give me and my parents a leaflet on them. There was no sitting down and discussing (and no internet at the time). I read the leaflet. Decided being short was better than the common side-effects.

Or in pregnancy, being obese, the consultant wanted to prescribe me aspirin. Again, just gave me a leaflet and told me to take them. I read the leaflet, did my research, decided that in my case it wasn't the right plan to take the aspirin.

If you think doctors take the time to sit down and walk people through the side -effects - of basic or complicated drugs, then I'd suggest that you've either been lucky with your HCPs, or haven't ever been on them.

I think its still possible, especially in a tertiary setting.

[MultiplaLight]

Most of those on my list are professionals who should be up to date in child development and safeguarding.

Teachers had no guidance. Literally none. You've seen what happened to teachers who openly disagreed with transitioning students.

Your list unfairly apportions blame. It is rude and unhelpful. It will get people's backs up and further divide within the GC movement.

[RecycleMePlease]

I think its still possible, especially in a tertiary setting.

Of course it's possible - but in my experience, it's just not happening!

[LargeSquareRock]

@MultiplaLight

Most of those on my list are professionals who should be up to date in child development and safeguarding.

Teachers had no guidance. Literally none. You've seen what happened to teachers who openly disagreed with transitioning students.

Your list unfairly apportions blame. It is rude and unhelpful. It will get people's backs up and further divide within the GC movement.

I said-

“Every teacher who adopted gender ideology and actively poured poison into their student’s ears;

Every teacher who shut down a student who wasn’t toeing the party line;

Every teacher who made girls feel ashamed for not being happy about sharing toilets with boys;”

if you are a teacher who didn’t do any of the above, this post isn’t directed at you. The vast majority of teachers wouldn’t dream of doing any of the above, because they understand safeguarding.

I agree that it is outrageous hat schools haven't been given proper guidance. Hopefully Cass will give the DoE the teeth to issue something solid now.