To Think William Wragg should leave Parliament immediately?

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For anyone who doesn't know, William Wragg MP got chatting with someone on Grinder last year. He sent them intimate messages and photos, they agreed to meet up, but it didn't happen.

The Grinder person threatened to make WW's messages public and in return for their silence, Wragg gave this person direct contact numbers for other MPs. He even vouched for his blackmailer to (at least) one of his colleagues.

AIBU to think William Wragg is a fucking liability to the country?

He is so stupid, easily embarrassed and weak that he readily risked the security of other MPs and the country to spare his blushes.

On a side note, surely it is not too much to expect our MPs to refrain from sending dick pics while in office?

But what about Keirs beer ?
Angela Rayner ?
Jeremy Corbyn ?
Small boats ?

Yes. If he'd called the blackmailer's bluff and the pictures had been circulated, rather than throwing others under the bus, people would have probably had some sympathy for him

He should definitely go. His behaviour shows a complete lack of judgement and compromises national security. I suspect the reason he hasn't gone and that Sunak is silent on the matter is because this is much bigger than we are being led to believe.

The recall process should apply. So if enough of his constituents want it, there is a by-election. My guess is he would resign first.

It’s pathetic and embarrassing that an elected representative should behave in this way.

absolutely 💯 high risk to national security

He has no sense, no judgement, no loyalty, and the willingness to sell out his colleagues. Perfect Tory material!

Yes, he should be sacked immediately and lose his seat.

I thought that one of the reasons police cracked down down on flashers (barring Wayne Couzens) was that the behaviour is likely to escalate as it did in this case.

And we have an MP not only flashing his dick all over the Internet, but then allowing himself to be blackmailed into giving out details of other MPs, two of whom also sent photographs.

No wonder sex offences are so low down the priority list of MPs, it seems a fair few should be behind bars, not setting the rules to avoid going there themselves.

Did pics should not be normalised. MPs should not leave themselves open to blackmail, and any party leader should have a firm stance on this. Clearly Sunak thinks this behaviour is fine. Why?

I’m just amazed that he wouldn’t think ‘Hang on, I’m an MP so could be vulnerable to blackmail’ before pressing the ‘send’ button on that picture. 🙄

Given what has happened in recent years (murder of MPs, the cyber attacks on Westminster and multiple online threats) it’s not far fetched to say that he could have then endangered the lives of his fellow MPs by giving out their personal details.

What a stupid, careless and self-serving man.

I'd ask what others would do in this situation...

You (stupidly) send compromising pictures to someone, pictures you absolutely would not want leaked, and you're offered an 'out' at the expense of someone else.

Sad to say, many would risk it.

Telling the police would publicise it, ignoring it would risk leakage...

It's easy to criticise, but say it was your pictures, or your son's or daughter's pictures... you'd probably do the same.

He should go. He behaved so badly and yet we're told there's nothing to see.

Also him staying after what he did sets a dangerous precedent.

None of this is a reason for him to remain in post.

Maybe, but what's that got to do with the price of fish? People who've done something stupid and dangerous often aren't capable of dispassionately assessing their behaviour. Same with their loved ones. Which is why we don't usually base our assessment on what they say.

What's done now is done, so OPs questions are about the now. Is he a massive fucking liability, clearly yes. Should he go, well I wouldn't want someone this stupid and dangerous as my MP. If he's willing to give out other MPs personal details in a climate where they get murderously attacked fairly regularly, how could a constituent trust him to help them?

I’m just amazed that he wouldn’t think ‘Hang on, I’m an MP

What part of being an MP requires any thought at all ? For every example you give me of an MP "thinking" I will provide one like Dominic Raab not knowing where Dover was.

Yanbu. He’s given into blackmail. He’s a huge security risk to Westminster. Also, a pervy little creep.

I agree on the first part but not the second (as long as the person on the other end has indicated they want to receive such a pic then they're all adults)

But whether it's a prison officer being blackmailed to breach security by an exhusband with an intimate video, a post master giving up private correspondence to save their own blushes or an mp in this case, they had an ethical choice to make to face the fire or to save their own skin and put other innocent parties at risk.

While I'd have infinite sympathy on them at a personal level it makes all of their positions untenable and their behaviour most likely criminal for which they should be prosecuted

@C1N1C which is why there is an expectation of certain behaviours within that and other roles. I don't think it's that hard (pardon the pun) not to send a picture of your penis to someone (particularly someone you don't know and are not in an intimate relationship with). Had they not done that they wouldn't have been in a position where they would be vulnerable to the blackmail.

I work in public sector and can guarantee you in a similar circumstance the member of staff would be dismissed via gross misconduct. I am in a regulated profession and would almost certainly lose my registration too. I know this and therefore make certain choices about my behaviour. It is not unrealistic to ask the same of our MPs and to ask them to be held accountable when they fall short of these expectations.

Flashing/cyber flashing involve deliberately exposing your genitalia to someone who you assume doesn't want to see them, often with an implicit threat of rape. It's immensely serious because anyone who gets pleasure from others' lack of consent should be presumed to be dangerous.

There's a huge difference between that and sending explicit photos to someone who actually wants to see them. Large numbers of women may have sent photos of their breasts to a long term DP who's away from home. That doesn't make them sex criminals.

Wragge should have told the blackmailer "what are you going to leak? Everybody already knows I have a penis and I'm gay". Unless he's got a swastika tattoooed on it he had nothing to be ashamed of apart from poor judgement of character.

When he decided to deliberately sell out his colleagues to a bad actor because he was too cowardly and selfish to go to the cops, his behaviour became truly shameful.

Oh. Dear.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/william-wragg-westminster-honeytrap-blackmail-b2524946.html

My DH has security clearance and I am pretty sure it would be removed and he would lose his contract if he did that and hes just in IT.
As for Hunt calling him "courageous" the mind boggles, it really does. He HAD to admit it as it was about to come out and according to a BBC journalist I was listening to on radio 4 (cant remember name) the story doesnt quite add up and there may be more to come.
Imagine being out having a meal with your wife and kids or whatever and porn pops up on your private phone number because some idiot gave it to them to stop their dick pics being released. He should resign but as The Tories need every MP they can get at the moment unless Wragg actually gets his Dick out in Parliament they won't - and probably not even then

Absolutely. To call him "courageous" is just taking this to another level. How stupid do they think that the public are? Pathetic!

My DH has security clearance and I am pretty sure it would be removed and he would lose his contract if he did that and hes just in IT.

How does your DP feel about becoming more of a target now Russian and Chinese spies knew that UK security vetting is a crock o' shite ? (It always has been, but we were supposed to keep up the pretence ...)

Somewhere there must be a get together of all the bad guys settling the bets they had on how far they could get Raggy Willy to go. Trebles all round !

Of course he should.

It just show how corrupt and shameless politicians have become.

Wragg must just be arrogant like the tractor wanker MP and all the other elected sexual harassers and attackers trying to get away with it - it’s very simple and commonly understood that you just can’t do whatever you like sexually if you also want to be elected and represent the community as an MP at the same time. They think they’re above normal rules for some reason and reject the extra rules that apply if you’re an MP.

And they get away with this disgusting behaviour, with no real consequences. I highly doubt that this idiot is the only man amongst them, who has done such a thing. Another Tory scandal being hidden somewhere.

They get away with it because we - the Great Voting Public - let them. If we stopped voting for rosettes and starting voting for candidates, policies and people we'd have a much higher bar for public life.

Was the totally unironically named Willy Wragg really chosen as the best person to represent the needs and concerns of the good citizens of Hazel Grove ? Or was it because he had the right colour rosette ?