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To think Black Out nights in theatre ARE important

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PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 13:07

I know there was a theatre that did it last year and a thread about it- but there is a West End venue this year which will host two or three black out nights (where "all-black-identifying audiences" are invited) of the Slave Play. I had mixed feelings, but after having read a few articles on it, I actually agree with the concept- for the record I am very much white.

Spokesperson for the PM criticised black out nights saying "“The prime minister is a big supporter of the arts and he believes that the arts should be inclusive".

But let's face it, theatre experience is far from inclusive or accessible. Having 2 out of a few dozen nights will not really make a difference, nor excludes people who are not black to attend literally 80 if not more other performances. I was in theatre this week, and had a good look around. 98% of the audience were white. There were a few Asian people and 1 (one) black person- in the audience of around 300.

I suppose Id be far less likely to attend an event where I would stick out like a very sore thumb, is it really such a big deal to have two performances where people who dont usually feel theatre is an inclusive space can feel welcome, surrounded by people that belong to the same community?

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StormingNorman · 06/04/2024 13:57

Generally I wouldn’t be in favour but this is a play about slavery. I’d assume black members of the audience would have a more visceral response than I would as a white person and I think it’s important that they can express those emotions without worrying about how non-black people perceive them.

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 13:58

PressureLikeATickTickTick · 06/04/2024 13:55

So white people would be able to ask Black people not to attend a certain performance?

I guarantee if a night like that was advertised then every seat would be bought by a black person in protest. There would be BLM signs outside. Protesters etc...

It's ok to ban white people but not black people?

Again, my husband is black. So I'm not some racist. It's the truth.

No, it wouldn't be OK the other way around, because the history is totally different. White have not been oppressed in the way that black people have. Surely you can see that?

And fwiw, your husband being black is no proof of you not being racist. I suggest that you try to educate yourself a bit more on these matters.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 06/04/2024 13:58

As black people are only 4% of the population according to the Census, they are going to struggle to fill the theatre. Even if the zone is extended to other people of colour , it’s still only 13%, and the majority are not in London.

EauNeu · 06/04/2024 13:58

I would like to understand more. It feels like ghettoisation which I think in the 90s we were really moving away from. It feels like we're going back to and it feels regressive.

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 13:59

Fidgety31 · 06/04/2024 13:57

I don’t agree with it. If there was a ‘white people only’ performance there would be uproar. So why is it ok the other way round ?

Is this not blatantly obvious?

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:01

Finlesswonder · 06/04/2024 13:57

I'm the opposite. I would find it really cringey to go and watch something about male violence with only other women there. I mean what do you think is going to happen, that the men watch the play and suddenly get ideas and start springing into chimp mode?

I think it's fair to acknowledge that some black people might prefer to go to an ordinary performance of the play, whereas others might feel more comfortable on the Black Out nights.

Lion400 · 06/04/2024 14:01

Segregation is never ok. MLK knew it why don’t we?

GRex · 06/04/2024 14:01

I think occasional nights are fine, it's making the point. Similar to the women only art event, though I did feel they could have had specific time slots for me to achieve the same point.

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:01

yesmen · 06/04/2024 13:55

It has something to say, and says it, in my opinion, by humiliating everyone on the stage.

But - you may see it differently.

Drop me a pm after you have seen it? We culd discuss it!

Will do! Im even more curious now!

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Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:02

Lion400 · 06/04/2024 14:01

Segregation is never ok. MLK knew it why don’t we?

This is not about segregation, though. It's about providing a safe space.

Very different.

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:04

Bigearringsbigsmile · 06/04/2024 13:57

But black people can also go to every single other performance too! This isn't 1970s south Africa!

But very few do because they find theatres uninclusive. White audiecnes assume they are included, many minorities dont feel they are- and Black out Nights are meant to encourage black audiences to feel included and potentially frequent spaces mroe often.

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Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:05

'I was in theatre this week, and had a good look around. 98% of the audience were white' who gives a fuck?
Lol..how about a white night where no black/Asian/anyone else is included. Imagine that

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:06

EauNeu · 06/04/2024 13:58

I would like to understand more. It feels like ghettoisation which I think in the 90s we were really moving away from. It feels like we're going back to and it feels regressive.

Just one out of many reads- if the writer of the play thinks it's a necessary idea, why would you think it's ghettoisation? (self-ghettoisation?)
Black members can attend any other performances as well, not just the two nights.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/kit-harington-jeremy-o-harris-slave-play-west-end-black-out-theatre-b1142303.html

If you think London doesn't need 'Black Out' theatre nights you're wrong

Last summer, on a trip to the West End to watch Hamilton with my mum, as we were tucking into some outrageously overpriced ice-cream, she glanced around and muttered: “You know, I love the theatre, but it’s such a shame there are so few other black peo...

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/kit-harington-jeremy-o-harris-slave-play-west-end-black-out-theatre-b1142303.html

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Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:07

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 13:53

You have 80+ other performances of the play to see, why would you feel excluded if you are asked not to attend on one night out of 60?

Because if it was the other way round there would be fucking outrage

HRTQueen · 06/04/2024 14:07

Why not.

I would have absolutely no issue with a play about the holocaust having only Jewish audience nights or sexual assault against women and girls only having female nights for example

its an extremely emotive subject

but this was last months news wasn’t it ? And I think you know who shall come out to comment

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:08

Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:07

Because if it was the other way round there would be fucking outrage

But it isn't the other way around, so what's the problem?

Finlesswonder · 06/04/2024 14:08

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:04

But very few do because they find theatres uninclusive. White audiecnes assume they are included, many minorities dont feel they are- and Black out Nights are meant to encourage black audiences to feel included and potentially frequent spaces mroe often.

Do you think theatres should have Working Class Nights too?

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:08

Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:05

'I was in theatre this week, and had a good look around. 98% of the audience were white' who gives a fuck?
Lol..how about a white night where no black/Asian/anyone else is included. Imagine that

The fact you're ignorant does not mean we all are as well.
I guess you didnt get the point that in most theatre all white night is the norm, although it's maybe unintended.

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jollyblink · 06/04/2024 14:08

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:02

This is not about segregation, though. It's about providing a safe space.

Very different.

We don't need a 'safe space'! That's childish

Blondiebeachbabe · 06/04/2024 14:10

There were lots of white slaves in Africa, between the 15th and 19th Centuries. If there was a film about this, would you ban black people from coming to the Cinema to watch it? And if you did, do you think you'd actually get away with that, or would there be outrage?

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:10

jollyblink · 06/04/2024 14:08

We don't need a 'safe space'! That's childish

"I'm alright, Jack!"
You don't, but maybe some other people might need one?
Just an idea :)

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Lion400 · 06/04/2024 14:10

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:02

This is not about segregation, though. It's about providing a safe space.

Very different.

A ‘safe space’? Safe from what? Safe from who?

Bigearringsbigsmile · 06/04/2024 14:10

Finlesswonder · 06/04/2024 14:08

Do you think theatres should have Working Class Nights too?

Yes,that's a good idea

Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:11

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:08

The fact you're ignorant does not mean we all are as well.
I guess you didnt get the point that in most theatre all white night is the norm, although it's maybe unintended.

Not ignorant at all...not white people's fault if other ethnicities etc don't go to the theatre🙄

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:11

Lion400 · 06/04/2024 14:10

A ‘safe space’? Safe from what? Safe from who?

Safe from people like you by the sounds of it 😂

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