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What age would you put this child at?

452 replies

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 12:04

For writing etc? Any teachers to give feedback would also be very helpful 🙏

What age would you put this child at?
OP posts:
MummaMummaJumma · 06/04/2024 17:21

fuckssaaaaake · 06/04/2024 15:58

😂😂😂😂😂😂

I love a little MumsNet conspiracy 🤣

fuckssaaaaake · 06/04/2024 17:22

@MummaMummaJumma I admire the dedication, albeit slightly unhinged

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 17:22

@oakleaffy @thebestinterest Aww 🩵I think that’s her dogs though as says doggy land 😂

OP posts:
Kalevala · 06/04/2024 17:23

Just out of interest, what is the average reading level in the U.K. for an almost 6 year old?
Summer term year one, probably 6

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 17:23

@MummaMummaJumma @fuckssaaaaake She got really into it, so detailed 🤣😬

OP posts:
Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 17:25

@Kalevala Is that stage/level 6 of the Oxford reading tree books for example-Biff and Kipper?

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abracadabra1980 · 06/04/2024 17:25

3 or 4. I'm not a teacher-going off the sentimental bits I've kept from my own kids.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 06/04/2024 17:25

I wouldn' even bother guessing, for the simple reason that how they write when they are young often isn't an indication of how they'll write when they are older.m or how intelligent they are/will become.

oakleaffy · 06/04/2024 17:25

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 17:22

@oakleaffy @thebestinterest Aww 🩵I think that’s her dogs though as says doggy land 😂

It's a beautiful dog ...I love that drawing so much , and the story that goes with it is lovely.
Do keep it!
My son is an adult now, but I have some of his old drawings and treasure them.
The imagination young children have is wonderful.

Supergirl1958 · 06/04/2024 17:26

@Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday havinf seen the child is year one, it would be interesting to find out if the school are teaching your DC to write using capital letters. Also, whether they teach handwriting and letter formation. As a reception teacher I’d be reluctant to give expected here as letter formation isn’t fantastic, and also use of capitals. I would give it, but it would be with some hesitation and also I’d speak to the school if they are teaching the child to write using capitals in the middle of words which is incorrect.

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 17:26

Sorry OP just caught up with your updates.

That would explain the feeling that the handwriting and the content were a bit far apart. I’m a huge believer in letting children develop naturally so I’m surprised I’m about to say this but I wonder if, given she is trying to express herself in writing, it might be time to bite the bullet, choose a style and teach her? It looks as though ( and I totally get your approach) she is having to improvise letter formation and it may result in her needing to unlearn, which can be trickier than learning. When all is said and done however, I truly believe that waaaaaay too much emphasis is put on achievement with these early skills which show more about temperament at this age than ability. Skills that the classroom focused children have been miles ahead with can be caught up in a matter of months. It’s what is super weird about the prep system that allocates places aged 6 - before some of the very bright children have even learned to hold a pencil properly. She’ll be just fine.

volvoxc40 · 06/04/2024 17:26

I'm a teacher and I would say firmly 4.

BeardyButton · 06/04/2024 17:27

Please don’t worry about her being behind. She’s fine! The most important thing a parent can do is foster a desire to learn… being overly prescribed by levels and attainment will kill that desire.

volvoxc40 · 06/04/2024 17:28

MummaMummaJumma · 06/04/2024 17:21

I love a little MumsNet conspiracy 🤣

This person has so many things wrong with them I don't even know where to start and I'm just glad my kids aren't in her care.

MummaMummaJumma · 06/04/2024 17:30

volvoxc40 · 06/04/2024 17:28

This person has so many things wrong with them I don't even know where to start and I'm just glad my kids aren't in her care.

Oh she’s probably harmless tbf. Just a wild imagination lol x

Sugargliderwombat · 06/04/2024 17:32

legallyblond · 06/04/2024 12:13

Just showed DH who is a primary school teacher. He says if that child is in reception (age 4-5) they’ve not been taught writing the correct / standard way taught in English schools. The letter formation is badly incorrect and they teach correct letter formation from day 1 in reception. He therefore guesses pre school self / incorrectly taught…

What! I would bet that your husband works nowhere near reception.

LadyGooGaa · 06/04/2024 17:32

My kids are bilingual and in the second language school. At around 8 or 9 they wrote English like this. However, the drawing is more like a 6 yr old in my opinion.

oakleaffy · 06/04/2024 17:32

volvoxc40 · 06/04/2024 17:28

This person has so many things wrong with them I don't even know where to start and I'm just glad my kids aren't in her care.

Same here!
I'm glad my son wasn't in her care too.

The drawing and the imagination behind the story is lovely and happy looking as well.

At school we had loads of writing lessons to show us how to form letters, the little girl here hasn't had that yet, but she will catch up.

I'd rather a child with innate drawing ability and a good imagination as handwriting can be taught later.

Sugargliderwombat · 06/04/2024 17:33

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 12:31

Hi, thank you everyone, just reading through the replies.
My dc is 5.5, but we’re abroad and she’s in a Pre school, this looks like it accounts for the style of writing? I’ve been reluctant to practise handwriting with her as it’s taught differently where we are and I don’t want to confuse her.
I’ve been reading with her at home, she’s level 4 (Chip & Biff books) does this seem ok?
I’m a little worried she’ll be behind as they don’t start reading where we are until 6, I haven’t been pushing her, just curious if it looks okish for this age?

Countries that wait until later have it right OP. She's fine.

mathanxiety · 06/04/2024 17:33

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 15:26

Thanks again all, so with the writing it makes sense as I’ve not placed much emphasis on it yet at home, so anything she has learnt has been at Pre school or just her own interpretation of letters. I know they do their name and the date, possibly a bit more, I’d have to check.
She seems to enjoy writing just for fun and does ask me how to sound out words and has a good memory. We did the alphabet/phonics for fun when she was much younger, so she’s always known her letter sounds etc. I started the reading books slowly in the new year and recently she’s really picked it up, but I’m trying not to pressure and keep it fun. I just want her to be able to read and write ok in English, because in September she’ll move in to Year 1 (I think would be Year 2 in the U.K.? She turns 6 in the summer) and they do step things up and start reading and writing, but will obviously be in the language of where we are

I'd urge you to trust the system and avoid formal handwriting suggestions to your DD at home.

Read well-written books to her in English, and she will pick up language and grammar by osmosis. Read daily, and choose books well. I'd avoid Charlie and Lola style books with informal English or grammatical errors used for literary effect.

I can't overstate the importance of reading to her as a means of lodging English language and grammar in her mind. Don't be afraid to re-read books if she wants to hear the same stories again.

Beatrix Potter stories might go down well, assuming her interest in animals. They feature complete sentences and a nice range of vocabulary. Winnie-the-Pooh books are another good resource, and the stories are delightful. Books by Arnold Lobel are excellent too (Owl at Home, Mouse Tales, and more). Check out Antonia Barber as well, and Ursula le Guin (Catwings series). The Moomin books are lovely, too. Poetry (A. A. Milne again, Shel Silverstein) is excellent for language learning because phrases can be picked up easily and stick in the mind.

Supergirl1958 · 06/04/2024 17:35

cheesychip · 06/04/2024 16:57

This is how children learn to write - where's the enjoyment if they have to get every letter right every time? Let them play with the shapes and the feeling of writing, let them make their words - they are communicating - that is the purpose of writing. It's not bad teaching, it's emergent and developing writing and totally normal. Some reception won't be 5 until this August, that's a whole school year with 4 year old hands and motor control. Imagine failing at 4 because your letters are incorrect. Glad my kids don't go to his school.

@cheesychip

erm…it’s assessed at the end of reception and is included in the early learning goals!

fine motor skills says “Hold a pencil effectively in preparation for fluent writing – using the tripod grip in almost all cases”

writing elg says “Write recognisable letters, most of which are correctly formed”

Most of the elgs are best fit, so as this is only an aspect of it, the whole goal can be given! There’s more to it that the one above but these two aspects of two separate goals are linked! So whilst you criticise the poster and her husbands school, I’m afraid they are doing the correct thing. If they didn’t, Ofsted would fail them! But then why should that get in the way of anything!

Sugargliderwombat · 06/04/2024 17:36

OP please stop worrying about levels and handwiting, we have it SO wrong In the UK. Read up on Scandinavian schools and reggio emilia. Look at the writing she is doing before she has even started formal learning. She's obviously enthusiastic and confident to be writing during play. She's ready and has a solid foundation. Stop looking at levels!

Wornoutlady · 06/04/2024 17:37

It depends on if it is a boy or a girl. Boy's nerves don't fully develop to the ends of their fingers til they're 6 so they sometimes take a while longer than the girls to master handwriting. So if it's a boy it could possibly be a 5/6 yr old but if it is a girl it could be somewhat younger...

PrimoPiatti · 06/04/2024 17:37

3 or 4