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Who do you think of when you think of ‘masculinity’?

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Settleascore · 04/04/2024 20:32

And would you say Andrew Tate is ‘masculine’?

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Whatsthepickle · 04/04/2024 23:04

CommentNow · 04/04/2024 22:12

Masculine to me means being an ally.

A man who does 50% of the chores and childcare, pools resources because he knows he likely "has more" resulting from the pay gap and speaks up to call out other men on substandard behaviour, whether that's in the language they use to describe women or looking for opportunities to build up women in the workplace.

Masculine is not muscles or laddish behaviour or punching a man in a bar because the other man "disrespected his woman".

I don't understand this. Nothing about these examples are intrinsic to any aspect of maleness. They are great attributes but also not specific to any sex. It's great to have forward-thinking men who value equality but that could be talking about anyone doing their share of the housework and calling out colleagues on sexist talk at work. Three are attractive qualities and sign of being a decent person, but separate from masculinity which is mainly connected to the biological sex.

iutiut · 04/04/2024 23:19

The Witcher (Geralt of rivia)

SmallIslander · 04/04/2024 23:23

WaterFast · 04/04/2024 22:38

I don't think masculinity is a social construct.
I believe it's natural, biological.

I enjoy masculinity to counter my femininity.

Masculinity to me is my husbands ability to protect me and my family, physically and financially whilst I raise our children.

That will probably make alot of people scoff but I think we've stepped too far away from the values that men and women combined in their natural roles creates a harmonious relationship and family. Like it's a bad thing to say that men can be good protectors and providers and women can be good care givers and homemakers.

Masculinity is his forearms as he works on something manual. It's him carrying our kids to bed. It's him fixing things. It's a strong stubbled jawline. It's the smell of him when he's been gardening all day or burning things.

It's primal.

And Andrew Tate is a worm.

And this is of course just my thoughts and opinions and many other women may have very different views of masculinity.

I just sometimes think we've pushed the boundaries so far now that it's almost frowned upon to want to be a more traditional family and that it must mean the woman is worth less, like femininity is worth less. But it's not, to a man with good values.

Edited

I generally agree with you here, but I think there is a lot of crossover between the sexes.

Yes a woman can admire a strong protective male, but women are the ultimate protector of their offspring, so this isn't purely a masculine trait. In the same way a woman can provide for her family, alone or in partnership with a man, but again this isn't a strictly male urge.

Just like being tender, caring, resourceful, loving, diplomatic and intuative aren't just traits belonging to women. There are certain qualities that are beneficial and attractive to both sexes.

CommentNow · 05/04/2024 23:49

Whatsthepickle · 04/04/2024 23:04

I don't understand this. Nothing about these examples are intrinsic to any aspect of maleness. They are great attributes but also not specific to any sex. It's great to have forward-thinking men who value equality but that could be talking about anyone doing their share of the housework and calling out colleagues on sexist talk at work. Three are attractive qualities and sign of being a decent person, but separate from masculinity which is mainly connected to the biological sex.

What I mean is that being manly used to mean a big strong man who could punch out a threatening man in an alleyway for me.

Now I think its manly to fight the every day fight for equality because it takes a real man to break away from old fashioned and easy stereotypes of masculinity.

It takes courage to step away from the easy office or lad culture and actually say, with words and actions, that he doesnt accept oldfashioned attitudes to women, even if it means he doesnt fit in with the lads and even though those attitudes would probably make his own life easier (human dishwasher, childrearer, financially dependent, him being head of the household etc).

Getting muscles and throwing the occasional punch, which is normally because he feels another man is disrespecting his "property", is not manly and sexy to me these days.

CommentNow · 05/04/2024 23:53

Whatsthepickle · 04/04/2024 23:04

I don't understand this. Nothing about these examples are intrinsic to any aspect of maleness. They are great attributes but also not specific to any sex. It's great to have forward-thinking men who value equality but that could be talking about anyone doing their share of the housework and calling out colleagues on sexist talk at work. Three are attractive qualities and sign of being a decent person, but separate from masculinity which is mainly connected to the biological sex.

Only men will put other men in their place.

If they consider protecting "their woman" to be a masculine feature then they need to step out of their comfort zone and advocate for women to make their own decisions.

Sadly many men would rather fit in and benefit from women not being on an equal footing.

Sooooootired01 · 06/04/2024 00:26

I think it's disappointing that, in 2024, some women still only see a man as "masculine" if they are the provider. Urgh.

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/04/2024 01:37

Pixiesgirl · 04/04/2024 22:24

@dimllaishebiaith he has a nice body, so what?

The reason I like Jason is actually that he and Lenny Kravitz were loving, grown up and open with their blended family. They didn't piss and corners and beat their chests. They acted like grown up men.

Body is nothing, behaving as a family man was impressive.

neilyoungismyhero · 06/04/2024 01:54

Jason Statham does it for me still

Blackcats7 · 06/04/2024 02:08

@CommentNow are there any men like this? I have never met one in 56 years of life.
I was never attracted to what most would consider masculine men. I liked men who had a feminine side and got on well with women. This then bit me on the arse when the last one got on so well with women he was shagging them behind my back.
These days when I hear the word masculine I just think wankers.
Oh and obviously Tate is a criminal scumbag and I sincerely hope he goes to prison for a very long time as he so richly deserves.

Ruralrules · 06/04/2024 02:53

Foxblue · 04/04/2024 20:37

Masculinity is a social construct, borne from the patriarchy. All the good things attributed to masculinity are in reality non gender specific, and a lot of things attributed as 'masculine', or certain by-products of 'masculine' traits are actually quite damaging for young men (and women)
I know that's not a fun answer, but..

Oh and Andrew Tate is a worm, so has no artificially constructed gender specific characteristics, as he is in fact, just a worm.

A brief elaboration of a tube to quote Leonard Cohen.When I think of masculinity I think of a beloved deceased uncle.A man who didn't have a bad bone in his body, who loved us all like his own children and treated his six nieces with the utmost respect and equality.

merrymelodies · 06/04/2024 03:03

Rambo

SmallIslander · 06/04/2024 09:49

merrymelodies · 06/04/2024 03:03

Rambo

😂😂😂

I'm just checking in in case anyone posts another pic of Momoa but I'll take a bit of vintage Stallone!

CommentNow · 08/04/2024 21:36

Blackcats7 · 06/04/2024 02:08

@CommentNow are there any men like this? I have never met one in 56 years of life.
I was never attracted to what most would consider masculine men. I liked men who had a feminine side and got on well with women. This then bit me on the arse when the last one got on so well with women he was shagging them behind my back.
These days when I hear the word masculine I just think wankers.
Oh and obviously Tate is a criminal scumbag and I sincerely hope he goes to prison for a very long time as he so richly deserves.

There really are. I've had a male boss speak up for me when I said I wouldnt be applying for an internal promotion due to the hours and without me asking him to, he raised it with the manager, pointing out that the role was limited to anyone with caring responsibilities and demonstrated that alternative options like a job share would be workable. They ended up re-running the advert with flexible working and I got it 😁

I have a few other examples but dont want to be outing or talk about other people and their story.

The more I see it, the less shit I tolerate from men. That's the traditionally masculine men hate it. It's easier to bulk up than speak up and most men dont like stepping out from the pack, especially when they know their lives will be harder with women competing in a fair space instead of being at home cooking their dinner.

I'm sorry your husband was a wolf in sheeps clothing. That's no better than the outright pigs.

Fastfad · 08/03/2025 14:15

This is no joke, he's a monster feeding off people for power.

SADLY IT GETS WORSE: SPOTIFY AS GIVEN THEM A PODCAST, with loads of fake bots saying thy want Tate as PM bel;ow the audio! They also launched a polotical Reform style project called BRUV and sharing the below petition I had bots writing to me creepily as replies "Hello dear".

Meanwhile an ex-army man r+ped his ex and killed her her sister and mother with a cross-bow, the same day as watching one of his videos in the UK this week. You can't make this crap up.

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