Who do you think of when you think of ‘masculinity’?

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And would you say Andrew Tate is ‘masculine’?

Masculine to me is mainly a physical thing. Strong manly body, hairy, deep voice, displays of strength.

I've only heard a bit about Andrew Tate but he sounds like the kind of low status male there was a thread about the other day. Needs someone to punch down at as he can't compete with other males. He sounds quite defective.

No to AT

to me, its someone who is well built (muscley), someone who works hard and does the man jobs eg chopping up wood, uses a drill, can mend a car etc 🤣

Hmmm, when I think of masculinity, I think of Jason Momoa. He also seems like a lovely guy.

I don’t think Andrew Tate is particularly masculine. He’s quite irritating and comes across as quite insecure and immature.

My immediate first thought too.

Jason momoa in my memory is very hairless and a bodybuilder type, not masculine in the slightest. Bodybuilding is inherently vain, vainness is not masculine.

No, I don't really agree with the concept but he's not what I understand it to mean. In interviews I've seen he's thin skinned, defensive, dishonest and unnecessarily aggressive. I understand masculine to be confident and not as needy for approval and agreement as he seems to be.

Needing material things to feel good about himself, deriving his identity and self worth from them isn't a good look either, it's weak. By all means have such things, and enjoy them if you like, but don't be a slave to them 🤷‍♂️

It's a flawed thing.

My husband is male but he isn't "masculine" in the typical definition.

For example

Softly spoken
Not a deep voice
Gentle
Piano hands (slender)
Doesn't like/do DIY
Never felt inclined to BBQ
Doesn't drive
Is very clumsy
Is not dominant in any way
Finds sports boring
Doesn't drink
Never heard him shout
Listens actively to others
Emotionally intelligent
Articulate
Doesn't like other men in general
Huge defender of women's rights
Puts women on a pedestal
Cooks
Cleans
Dotes on children

But also...

Is male XY
Has fathered a daughter

To be honest, the only one that counts is that he is a male.

Masculine to me means being an ally.

A man who does 50% of the chores and childcare, pools resources because he knows he likely "has more" resulting from the pay gap and speaks up to call out other men on substandard behaviour, whether that's in the language they use to describe women or looking for opportunities to build up women in the workplace.

Masculine is not muscles or laddish behaviour or punching a man in a bar because the other man "disrespected his woman".

To me it's purely physical - men's hands, wrists and shoulders in particular. It's not a positive or negative vale judgement. I assume Tate the rapist pimp has these characteristics like other men.

Doesnt look hairless to me...

Sometimes hes chiseled, sometimes hes not, thats his job, as with many male actors

The fact that hes as comfortable to get what the media call his "dad bod" out in public as his more chiseled look makes him more masculine and secure of himself imo rather than vain

I don't think it is physical, certain women can have same charachteristics, they can also have the more esoteric characteristics too. I admire them in women too.

Capability, adventurousness, resilience, strength, protectiveness, humility, compassion.

I don't think it's anything about looks.

This. The cock of the walk front he puts on is just to hide the fact he's a weak, insecure arse.

@dimllaishebiaith he has a nice body, so what?

It's personal taste. Momoa doesn't do it for me, either. Don't like his face and he's too bulky for me. I'm sure he's a perfectly nice person, though.

I just think people who have actually achieved things are more masculine and impressive, rather than those preening ninnys who look good on camera. Alexander Fleming ftw.

I think masculinity means, to me anyway, how my second hubby is.. treats me with absolute respect, will always carry my bag if it's heavy, reach things from tall shelves cause I'm tiny without huffing and puffing, never moans if I'm moody or weepy when I'm hormonal, is strong but not a bully, would always stand up for me, makes me feel safe always, and fancies the arse of me! To me, that kind of masculinity turns me on, I'm a feminist but there's no denying it's sexy to have a man look after you when you need it.

Andrew Tate, isn't even human never mind masculine. Any woman who thinks he's masculine has probably been treated like shit by men all her life.

Im not sure why you are coming across like you are trying to pick a fight tbh

You dont think hes masculine thats cool, you don't need to

I'm not trying to pick a fight. Look beyond the superficial now and again though.

Not trying to pick a fight but labelling me superficial for some random passing comments that actually mention more than someones looks

Okay then...

Of course it could be considered superficial judging someone off the strength of a few posts, but you do you

Brut aftershave.

I haven’t heard anybody describing anyone as masculine in ages. It sounds very old fashioned. I wouldn’t describe Andrew Tate with masculine; I think of him as a toxic, misogynistic abuser who probably lacked confidence as a teenager and has never forgiven the sexy ladies for it.

A masculine man for my late mother would have been a tall man with a decent physique, a deep voice, an assertive confidence, a job, and “manly” hobbies and interests if he had any interests😂

I don't think masculinity is a social construct.
I believe it's natural, biological.

I enjoy masculinity to counter my femininity.

Masculinity to me is my husbands ability to protect me and my family, physically and financially whilst I raise our children.

That will probably make alot of people scoff but I think we've stepped too far away from the values that men and women combined in their natural roles creates a harmonious relationship and family. Like it's a bad thing to say that men can be good protectors and providers and women can be good care givers and homemakers.

Masculinity is his forearms as he works on something manual. It's him carrying our kids to bed. It's him fixing things. It's a strong stubbled jawline. It's the smell of him when he's been gardening all day or burning things.

It's primal.

And Andrew Tate is a worm.

And this is of course just my thoughts and opinions and many other women may have very different views of masculinity.

I just sometimes think we've pushed the boundaries so far now that it's almost frowned upon to want to be a more traditional family and that it must mean the woman is worth less, like femininity is worth less. But it's not, to a man with good values.

gay blokes like Freddie Mercury

When I think of masculinity, I think of strong, capable men who can take responsibility, show leadership, earn respect, love & provide for their families, use their strength to protect & stand up for those who need it and be positive role models for others to look up to.

That cretin Tate is none of those things.

Ryan Gosling!

When I was in my twenties, my 'type' was skinny indie type guys. I noticed that every month, mid way between my periods, I would start noticing big strapping, hairy beasts of men and would really fancy them for a few days and go off them not long afterwards.

Clearly, I was ovulating and was being drawn to what my hormonal self subconsciously identified as the strongest specimens of the male species. Big, hairy, strong, well built men give the impression of being able to father your children, kill a deer to feed the family then go out and fight any enemies coming for the village. Its biology, really. All men are masculine in theatre sense of the word, but some men really demonstrate those chromosomes in real time!