Photo ID to vote is a flagrant cladding attack

[Pireck]

You will need photo ID to vote in the general election this year. This won't be a problem for me personally as I have it, but many of the people where I grew up are too poor to drive or travel abroad. Many people in this country don't have valid photo ID, and they shouldn't have to to shell out a significant amount of money they likely don't have in order to cast their vote. An absolutely flagrant attack on the poor and otherwise deprived.

The title is supposed to read classist, not cladding.

At no point did I say unable to, I have said are LESS LIKELY TO.

You have applied for photo ID, bravo my goodness. But you can appreciate that not everyone is you, and that the poorer someone is the harder their life generally is, and the harder their life generally is the less likely they will be to find the time for extra tasks.

And anyway it isn't just the poor, as has been mentioned it's those disadvantaged in any way be it financially, through disability, even those who on the surface have a peachyife but behind closed doors suffer abuse etc etc.

It isn't a difficult concept!

You misunderstood.

It's not about the ID
It's about getting registered to vote in the new area where they are living. When they have just arrived.

I know that my late parents may have struggled at first ( no passport , never had a licence or a car , didn't have the internet at home etc ) but my siblings and I would have looked it up and applied for it for them via the government website in order they could go and vote
I know it might be a pain for people , but so are many other things these days too

What is this based on?

Sounds a bit like you’re being classiest tbh.

No I didn’t

It’s been previously discussed here in Australia but voter ID still not brought in mainly for the same reasons put forward by @Pireck It must be a genuine issue.

Voter fraud isn’t an issue here either despite the fact voting is mandatory. It seems to be mainly right wing parties around the world wanting to bring this in and it makes sense if the OP is correct in terms of the effect it will have on the voting population.

Yabu.

OP not all poor people are stupid 🙄we can all manage to get an ID FFS.

Actually it's much funnier more interesting than that.

The Tories, much like the OP, assumed that this would disenfranchise feckless/young/poor people and hence help reduce the Labour vote. But for the most part those people either weren't going to vote anyway, or are sufficiently photo ID/internet minded to easily get ID.

What they didn't realise was that a non-negligible slice of the very elderly population don't have valid passports/photo driving licences, and find the hurdle to getting voter ID insurmountable. And the very elderly are in fact the last remaining chunk of the population still voting Tory, and with a very high turnout rate, if you don't go out of your way to prevent them.

Jacob Rees Mogg flat out admitted that this is what they'd done and we were mostly too busy laughing to prosecute him for flagrant abuse of the system and moral bankruptcy.

Sorry but it's bullshit.

This isn't Oliver Twist.

I'm sure the poor people can fill in a form in the evenings.

If they're so stuck for time and have such difficult lives then how are they going to find the time to actually vote?

Surely ID is not an issue as they're all too tired from sweep chimneys to go to the polling station?

You are being incredibly classiest yourself. Ironically.

The government doesn't care that YOU are able to get ID and vote. How nice that you are well informed and find it easy ti get everytjing in life done!
But the government cares that 100 or 1000, or 100,000 people like.you might be able to get it and vote, which is why it is trying to rule them out, as many as possible!

Yes you did - because it's not about the students having Photo ID but about the Councils themselves having time to register them - and you mentioned photo ID

"And students not being able to have the correct id to vote fuck me if they are able to get themselves into university I expect them to be able to get themselves the correct id to vote"

Which is different to students having the ID but not being on the electoral register.

Universities used to be able to bulk register students in advance - but that changed.

@Pireck what rock have you been living under? This isn’t a new rule.

@Pireck ...classic. "You didn't immediately agree with me, therefore you must not be able to understand."

Sigh. 🙄

It's a recent rule though.

Mainly tested in last year's local elections.

From the Electoral Commission website

Voter ID | Electoral Commission

Supporting people to meet the voter ID requirement

We know that some groups are more likely to experience barriers created by the voter ID requirement and may need support to access photo ID.

Organisations working directly with voters, including local authorities and charities, can help voters make sure they have photo ID ahead of any election where this requirement applies.

We have produced a set of resources for use in England and Wales ahead of the elections on 2 May 2024. These resources will help organisations raise awareness, and support voters with applying for a Voter Authority Certificate, if needed. This pack also includes information on voter registration, and information tailored to the needs of specific groups.
A generic set of resources with information relevant to any election requiring photo ID is also available.
We have also published bespoke resources to support people who are registered to vote anonymously, or who might benefit from doing so.

@WaterFast 👏👏

TBH - the voting ID isn't as much an issue as the low turnout and especially the low turnout amongst certain age groups and other groups.

Young people may have ID but the turnout is much lower than with older people - and that should be a concern for all parties.

80% of the UK have a passport.:

ID cards are long overdue

Want to know how to stop small boats ? I can tell you instantly.. as stand on the beach when they come in ...

France /Italy/Germany have them.. we don't and getting lost is easy

I have no photo id. I applied to get a free id tor voting only. Very easy to do.

I didn’t mentioned photo id I mentioned id to vote cakeorwine

Who do you think sends out the postal votes, the PM?? Or could it be a combination of local government staff, printing companies and postal workers, quite alot of people to line up to be corrupt and then all biased to the same party.

This! I've had mine a few years. Haven't had the chance to use it yet. Everyone has had lots of notice.

Postal vote or free ID. It’s the best way to do it. It’s not a big thing.

Not much:

"In the past 5 years, there is no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud. Of the 1,462 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2019 and 2023, 10 led to convictions and the police issued 4 cautions."

I think it's interesting. We are frequently told it's older people who vote disproportionately. And now we are also being told they are the group least likely to have photo ID. I'm mid fifties and still had a paper driving license until it became a pain to be without photo ID for collecting parcels.

I actually think most younger people do have photo ID. They have grown up needing it to buy alcohol and so it's a normal thing, not like us eighties teens who were buying lager in 7-11 whilst still wearing school blazers. Very different times.

My hunch is that those who are interested in voting will mostly make sure they get ID or apply for a postal vote.