Page 14 | Photo ID to vote is a flagrant cladding attack

MadraUisce · 05/04/2024 10:17

Watchthewindow · 05/04/2024 09:58

Not necessarily incapable.

Forgetful, busy, lazy, lose things, neurodiverse, can’t be arsed. Many reasons for not having / presenting ID.

None of them good enough to disenfranchise someone.

JRM admitted it was gerrymandering, as did some other Tory idiot at the same event.

But yeah, the fact that they’ve wasted millions of £ of public money introducing a system there was no need for is just fine and dandy.

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How is it gerrymandering?

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Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:18

BobnLen · 05/04/2024 10:17

Some may not want to vote in the GE so they may not bother to get photo ID, not everyone wants to vote though that may seem strange to some on MN

Yes, and they are free to go about their lives without voting. You're the one who brought them up on a thread about voting.

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Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:19

crumblingschools · 05/04/2024 10:16

I wish we just had ID cards, like other countries do. Other countries that are democracies seem to cope with them, not sure why we don’t have them

Why spend an enormous amount of money to address a problem we don't have?

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Thebestwaytoscareatory · 05/04/2024 10:19

Yanbu but, the fact that it's having the opposite effect than intented and is impacting more older voters who were more likely to vote tory is fucking hilarious.

CanalduMidi · 05/04/2024 10:19

SoupDragon · 05/04/2024 10:01

And yet they weren't too "Forgetful, busy, lazy, lose things, neurodiverse, can’t be arsed" to register to vote in the first place. if they can manage to register, read the polling card to see where and when they should vote and actually turn up they can manage to find one of the many forms of photo ID or apply for a free one.

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Do you know what happens if you forget to register? They send you letter after letter after letter threatening you with prosecution until you do it or they come round to your house and make you did it on the doorstep. What do they do if you forget to apply for voter ID? Nothing.

crumblingschools · 05/04/2024 10:23

But you have been reminded in various documents @CanalduMidi

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2024 10:25

WandaWonder · 04/04/2024 23:09

What have being poor got to do with it? Do they have less brain cells than everyone else? Well going by the op I wonder

Only when it suits the narrative apparently ...

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Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:32

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2024 10:25

Only when it suits the narrative apparently ...

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Not quite, in fact the poor generally work harder and have harder lives than people of comfortable or wealthier backgrounds. What this does is mean they're more tired (on average), more time poor and have fewer options available to them to perform most tasks.

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paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:39

Pireck · 04/04/2024 19:26

You will need photo ID to vote in the general election this year. This won't be a problem for me personally as I have it, but many of the people where I grew up are too poor to drive or travel abroad. Many people in this country don't have valid photo ID, and they shouldn't have to to shell out a significant amount of money they likely don't have in order to cast their vote. An absolutely flagrant attack on the poor and otherwise deprived.

The title is supposed to read classist, not cladding.

Its free to get.

If you're too dull to do it then people dont deserve to vote IMHO

paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:40

Pireck · 04/04/2024 19:42

Thank you for sharing this, but by the nature of having an extra task to do before voting day will mean fewer people get to vote. Mosy of the people who don't have time to sort this are the people working 13 hour shifts in care, or are struggling with being evicted from their homes, or have a disability and have no support, etc etc. By having another action to do, many of these people are being left behind.

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how will they have time to vote anyway then?

Complete rubbish - bet it takes 5 mins. Just 5 mins less on facebook or tiktok should do it.

paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:41

Pireck · 04/04/2024 19:50

These feckless and lazy people are the ones nursing your sick relatives in hospital, removing your refuse and picking.your groceries in your supermarkets. They are already overworked and underpaid, and now they have another way their voices are being suppressed. Call them what you like but they make your life comfortable and better and you ignore the fact they will now be less represented in our apparent democracy.
Polling fraud has been investigated before and shown that it is a really insignificant problem. This new rule has come in purely to suppress the voices of the downtrodden.

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power to the people ;-)

CanalduMidi · 05/04/2024 10:42

crumblingschools · 05/04/2024 10:23

But you have been reminded in various documents @CanalduMidi

Have I? Which documents?

But in addition to this, it's not a legal requirement so you don't get threatening letters or someone show up at your door which is a good incentive!

BobnLen · 05/04/2024 10:43

OP has rather over egged the pudding on reasons why people wont be able to get the voter ID.

paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:44

Pireck · 04/04/2024 20:17

Crack on if.you think it's a joke, by all means.
I obviously mean the average person who is more on the disadvantaged side.

There will be many people who will find they can't vote because they don't have ID. But my point is that for every 1 person from a middle.class background who simply forgets they needed it, there'll be 10 people from disadvantaged backgrounds who for whatever reason weren't able to secure photo ID I'm the first place.

I'm sure there are many people who will be happy that only those with secure lives who engage with the media regularly due to easy Internet access and have a wealth of education, support and privilege will be able to vote. Who cares about those with more struggles, who already face barriers to being heard? Actually you might be onto something. Maybe it is better if only those from stable backgrounds are heard. Who needs a true democracy after all.

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I would suggest if you can't organise yourself to get free ID online which takes 5 mins then you don't have the mental capacity to vote anyway.

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Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:44

paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:39

Its free to get.

If you're too dull to do it then people dont deserve to vote IMHO

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Do you mean dim? Dull means boring. I would hardly say wanting to exercise one's right to vote is exciting, but 3ach to their own.

Picking and choosing who gets to vote by character is a slippery slope. Someone can't find the time to complete an extra step before voting? Fuck them, we don't need everyone who wants to and can vote, able to in order to have a democracy. Wait...

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Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:46

paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:44

I would suggest if you can't organise yourself to get free ID online which takes 5 mins then you don't have the mental capacity to vote anyway.

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Deliberately provocative. A bit silly too, because as PP have said, a lot of people who were last prevented from voting by this policy were elderly Tory voters.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 05/04/2024 10:47

Pireck · Yesterday 20:31
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At no point did I say unable to, I have said are LESS LIKELY TO.
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You have applied for photo ID, bravo my goodness. “

How rude and patronising are you? Unbelievable.

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 05/04/2024 10:51

SoupDragon · 05/04/2024 10:01

And yet they weren't too "Forgetful, busy, lazy, lose things, neurodiverse, can’t be arsed" to register to vote in the first place. if they can manage to register, read the polling card to see where and when they should vote and actually turn up they can manage to find one of the many forms of photo ID or apply for a free one.

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Genuine question. Are we meant to register to vote every year? I get a letter that says "is this all correct?" It is so I don't do anything. I get my polling cards every year, so presumably haven't been removed from the register.

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Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:51

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/04/2024 10:47

Pireck · Yesterday 20:31
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At no point did I say unable to, I have said are LESS LIKELY TO.
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You have applied for photo ID, bravo my goodness. “

How rude and patronising are you? Unbelievable.

Not rude enough to appear on a thread simply to pick two tiny quotes from longer posts where I explain my point.
Ignore those points though, you are only here to distract from the discussion. Don't bother though letting us know though, no one's interested. This is an important issue which needs to be talked about.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 05/04/2024 10:52

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paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:53

Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:46

Deliberately provocative. A bit silly too, because as PP have said, a lot of people who were last prevented from voting by this policy were elderly Tory voters.

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I disagree. If you can't find 5 mins to sort ID then you don't deserve to vote. Tory/Labour/Monster Raving Loony all of them

paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:55

Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:44

Do you mean dim? Dull means boring. I would hardly say wanting to exercise one's right to vote is exciting, but 3ach to their own.

Picking and choosing who gets to vote by character is a slippery slope. Someone can't find the time to complete an extra step before voting? Fuck them, we don't need everyone who wants to and can vote, able to in order to have a democracy. Wait...

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Ah "Dull" local term I think - same as Dim.

Thing is its not that hard to get the ID so I don't see the problem. I mean do these people moan and say they're not going to fill out the forms they send out for the electoral register because they don't have time?

Are you suggesting then that we should do away with that legal requirement (i.e. to actually register on the electoral role) because people don't have time?

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/04/2024 10:55

“The poor and downtrodden” are literally telling you that you’re talking rubbish and patronising them and you are dismissing their opinions, rudely and aggressively.

”No-one’s interested”? So you speak for everyone on MN too? My goodness, bravo.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2024 10:57

Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:32

Not quite, in fact the poor generally work harder and have harder lives than people of comfortable or wealthier backgrounds. What this does is mean they're more tired (on average), more time poor and have fewer options available to them to perform most tasks.

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Most of us appreciate this, OP, especially those of us who've been in or still are in this position

What we try to avoid though is making assumptions about what people wish to prioritise. That's a matter for them, and so is the responsibility for whatever may follow

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Pireck · 05/04/2024 10:58

paulfoel · 05/04/2024 10:53

I disagree. If you can't find 5 mins to sort ID then you don't deserve to vote. Tory/Labour/Monster Raving Loony all of them

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The 5 mins on your smartphone or 2hr 25 mins it takes to catch 2 buses to the nearest library and get logged on to one of their systems, or 2 weeks to wait for your younger relative to come and help you on their nedt visit because you have no digital skills because you're 83 and have poor eyesight, or never learned to read in the first place because school was shit back then, but you're still able to make good judgements based on what you hear.
The time it takes is irrelevant, all that matters is that adding an extra step means fewer people will exercise their right to vote, no matter who they are. As I've said it disproportionately affects those who are disadvantaged in the first place, but anyone who loses their vote due to not being able to perform an extra task for whatever reason, is a shame. Its a shame for our democracy and if you can't see that then that is your problem.

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