to think many politicians who claim to be Christians and who say this is a Christian country really aren't Christians and would criticise the teachings of Jesus

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Lee Anderson saying this is a Christian country and complaining about some councils celebrating Ramada with lights.

"But let’s turn our attention back to traditional values for a second. The last time I checked Britain is a Christian country, it is enshrined in our law. So why is it that one of the most important religious festivals in the country is not proudly celebrated in the nation’s capital? Just like Labour, the Tories also refuse to stand up for Christian values it seems. Their candidate for the Westminster constituency said the lights were to be “welcomed” before paying trivial lip service to the promotion of other religions and their holy days. Under successive Tory governments British culture, identity, and values have ebbed away, and the rate at which they are doing so seems to be rapidly increasing.
Let me be clear, this isn’t an attack on Islam or any other religion. I firmly and absolutely respect the rights of individuals to celebrate their faith, but who in the establishment is standing up for the Christian values that made our country so great and revered across the globe? Can you honestly believe that if the shoe were on the other foot, a Muslim country would decorate its capital city with Easter decorations during Ramadan?"

'UK is Christian – it's time to demand our country back' | Express Comment | Comment | Express.co.uk

Farage saying that he has stopped going to church because of what someone said

"Mr Farage said: "I won't go to my local church, I won't go. I am christened and confirmed in the Church of England, all my family on both sides have been Church of England.
"I used to believe in it, I used to attend, not every Sunday but regularly during the year, I will not go. It is hopeless, they've given up, they've surrendered."
Nigel Farage reveals why he has stopped going to church: 'It is hopeless!' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

I firmly believe that these two, as well as other politicians who claim to be Christian and to believe in Christian values would be the first to have Jesus locked up for his views. They would not understand the story of the Good Samaritan.

I say this as someone who is not a Christian but who can see what Jesus was trying to say about helping others and particular values.

Yep you’re correct.

If I were God I’d bring down lightning and have the couple of bastards, then send them downwards.

The New Testament is version 2.0 - an update to the laws and teachings of the Old Testament.

There is not full agreement on how the bible should be interpreted as a manual for living life. This is unsurprising, as people approach it from different cultural backgrounds and the original writing was not in English. Translations, even if done skilfully, can lose some of the subtle meanings or create unintended changes.

But some peoples’ Christianity is not well grounded in the bible. I once held an unpleasant church man to account who was bullying a homeless man. He did not even recognise the famous quote I cited as being from the bible! Christians are called to defend the weak and hold one another to account, absolutely.

There is no Old and New Testament God if you are a Christian. It is the same God as there is only one God.

Again, this is a basic Christian belief.

Look, you knock yourself out criticising people for not holding values that you demonstrate yourself not enacting, if you want to.

You knock yourself out criticising people for not enacting a faith. you yourself don't believe and have a stunning lack of knowledge of, if you want to.

I'm off out now.

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And.....? What is the point you are trying to make? Who said religious people don't do bad things? If he has done something bad no Christian will support him.

Don't know about that. Catholic priests who have transgressed in the most appalling ways have been supported by their institution for decades. All “Christians” far as I know.

But I guess if they seek and are granted absolution, that’s all hunky dorey.

Xtians and some other faiths might 'think' there is only one god, most us know there were many god and goddess figures.

The church cover up was appalling for sure but no Christian I know condoned any of it. What the priests did was Dispicable.

Absolution doesn't work like that. The person must acknowledge wrong, do penance and not do it again. Only God can know whether he forgives them cause only he knows if you are really sorry. Some sins are cardinal, unforgivable and these would fall under that.

And even so, the priests should have still being imprisoned for their crimes.

"Two men say they're Jesus
One of them must be wrong ..."

If you had read what I said carefully, you would have read that I said that the God in the Old Testament seems very different to God in the New Testament. As if they had had anger management lessons.

In the Old Testament ,God is busy destroying towns, flooding the Earth etc.
In the New Testament, he sent his only son to die on the cross. Because he loves us so much.

Bit of a difference - considering some people believe they are the same God.

Someone had to serve the men 🤷

You asked if Christians believe we have to continue to keep the Mosaic law under the New Covenant of salvation by grace. Here's a summary of the different opinions :

Westminster covenantalism
The mosaic covenant and the law is a covennant of grace. The new covenant is a continuation and expansion of this covenant, fulfilling it entirely. The law we now have written on our hearts by the holy spirit now is essentially the same law as they had back then.

1689 federalism
Similar view, but emphasises that the new covenant is different in substance to all previous covenants. The new covenant can be applied retrospectivly to believers before Jesus who trusted God, and was how people were saved then. The law is however still applied to believers, especially the 10 commandments.

Progressive covenantalism
The new covenant is the final fulfillment of all previous covenants, but previous covenants had tensions and conditionality that the new covenant resolves through the work of Jesus. Law especially 10 commandments should still shape the lives of believers.

New covenant theology
Similar to before, but emphasises new covenant as new, and that therefore the law does not govern Christians now, we now live under new covenant laws and the teaching of Jesus.

Dispensationalism
The mosaic covenant is a covennant of works and separate from all other biblical covenants in this way. This makes it temporary and not longer to be applied to the Christian.

Absolutely. Some of the most ostentatiously Christian politicians fit right into this mould. Jacob Rees Mogg for one.