Am I missing something? Why are we not more angry about the NHS agenda for change pay rise 2024/25?

[TeenLifeMum]

The NHS pay rise is supposed to be announced September before it comes in. Government didn’t start the independent review until November (I think), and it’s still not been announced. They’re saying we’ll get back pay in September (but that messes people up who are on UC).

No one seems to be mentioning it even.

5.5% rise announced today which is better than expected.

When do we think this will actually be paid?

September pay?

I read today it will be in October pay

I imagine it will vary spending on the Trust - ours haven't announced when it will be yet.

^depending

Yes i'm annoyed about it for the following reasons.

1. its too much we dont need it.
2. it appears unfunded. So NHS trusts are having to find the money from somewhere. Many have not budgeted for 5.5 percent.

By the way if UC is a problem. Speak to your payroll many will split the payment if needed. Ours have in the past.

My trust have cut our staff no bank staff extra work constantly short staffed whopper

That should have said whooppeee 🙃

We did, got back pay in June.
Lump sum is end of this month.

@Antsinmypantsneedtodance, I don't think it's too much - the top of B7 should be 20% higher than it is based on inflation over the last 10 years, and this is generally true for other bands as well.

I'm not OK with the value of our work being eroded over time.

YOU might not - I am a Band 4, I certainly do.

I asked about split payments so as to avoid student loan repayments - was told no

I'm angry as I work for a GP surgery and funding for my salary hasn't been increased. I'm doing the same work as people on agenda for change and being paid much less

Yes but I posted that in March.

You don’t need it? 🙄

No. I'm top of band 6. £42,618 a year without any extra duty payments. Plus 33 days annual leave (plus bank holidays) 6 months full sick pay, and a pension my employer contributes a significant sum to.

I'm fully aware of my very privileged position of employment.

our IT budget has been cut right back

joker on the thread🤣

I’m top band 7 and feel none of your privilege

I’m with you @Kitkat1523

Lidl pay their staff more per hour than our new registered veterinary nurses and only slightly less than our more experienced registered veterinary nurses.

Our cleaner has a higher hourly rate than the receptionists, admin staff and me.

Perhaps go and try a job in the private sector where your annual leave is 25 days. You dont get any paid additional leave. Your pension contributions are minimal and you have little job security.

I think some people really need to check their privilege. If you don't like it, maybe go elsewhere.

We constantly get highly educated and experienced people who apply for jobs because they realise how good NHS staff often have it.

I am very experienced in my field with a high level of education. In the private sector, I could easily be adding about 20k plus to my fte salary. However, i would lose all the benefits of NHS employment. I admit i should probably be band 7 or above, but if i'm honest at present don't want the additional hassle.

I will add to this though I strongly objected to making nursing and midwifery education degree based. I also object to the fact that nursing and other professionals have full tuition fees. I'd prefer a scheme implemented whereby NHS professionals (including doctors) tutition fees were waivered after so many years service in the NHS. That may be more effective in retention than pay rises. It would also likely increase many peoples take home pay. Thus is effectively a pay rise.

I'd also strongly encourage a division in the pay scales between administrative and clinical roles.

You and me live in different universes …….nursing has evolved and it had to become a degree entry career in order for the role to be taken seriously …even band 5s are expected to taken on a leadership role …...and for buttons really…..I started with a diploma, then got an honours degree, then a post grad diploma and then a MSc ( all paid for by the nhs) …and I definitely think my role is worth more than top band 7 pay…..I have never had any desire to go to a higher band role…..and I actually like my current community job with no weekend working …,,but even with this pay rise, nurses are underpaid ….period.
and everyone in the public sector gets good benefits …..my DP is local authority….he gets 33 days plus 2 extra days at Christmas ….so better than nhs…. He also works a 36 hour week ( as opposed to nhs 37.5)
The nhs pension is not as good as it was ( I have 1995 pension and do appreciate that is a real benefit) but the 2015 doesn’t come anyway near ….you got a point about non clinical staff being on a different pay scale….not so much the admin…,but so called senior leaders and management
it iSnt that I want to work in the private sector…..if I did I would go…..I want to work for the nhs and be paid the worth of my role

"I think some people really need to check their privilege. If you don't like it, maybe go elsewhere"

Well, they are 😵‍💫

Looks like it will be October backdated to April and band 8-9 will be getting a midpoint pay point rather than waiting 5 years.

Are you clinical? Front line?

I get what you're saying if you're not, but not if you are. It is worth remembering that not all on agenda for change are clinical front line staff.