Caught on camera, who pays

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Person A asked person B for a lift to the station after work. Person B drove through a restricted zone at the station, was caught on camera and has been issued a fine. Person B wants person A to pay. Person A has refused. Who is BU?

Person B is a cheeky bastard

Morally I think it should be 50:50. Yes, the driver is clearly at fault for ignoring the signage, but s/he wouldn't have been there anyway if they weren't being kind to give a lift.

It's the driver's responsibility but as the passenger I think I'd at least offer half.

I would split it. Mistakes happen and driver was doing other person a favour

On the face of it it's on the driver, however depending on circumstances (dark, bad weather, unfamiliar) as the passenger I'd offer to go halves at the very least (I'd probably offer to pay it whole if I felt really bad and that it was out of their control).

The person who was driving should have gone a different way.
Unless the passenger insisted on going down the restricted road and reassured them it was fine, then it's not passenger's fault.
Just don't get lifts with them again. Surely the route to the station must be one they've done at least a few times before?

Surely the passenger is likely to be more familiar with the station layout than a regular driver?

Person B is the driver therefore they pay

If person B can't read signage/work out restrictions when driving then I'm sure this isn't going to be the first time they will get a fine.

Surely the route to the station must be one they've done at least a few times before?

Not necessarily, surely a person without a car is likely to go to a station more often than someone who has one?

Person B is the “captain” of the vehicle and as such takes responsibility.

Well my guess is Person A stumps up at least something. Otherwise they can kiss goodbye to any future lifts.

If I were person A I would also be thinking about how great work is going to be with Person B pissed off with them for probably the next 6 months. If person B is the boss then I can see it getting awkward.

@Trophyfoot yeah I guess. But they would not know how to navigate roads legally necessarily in a car. If the person is struggling hard then I guess the decent thing might be to pay a contribution towards the fine. It all seems awfully awkward. I bet they wish they just walked.
Maybe the important point is, did the passenger request the lift, or did the driver offer it unprompted? If the latter as passenger id feel even less responsibility.

If I were person A I would offer to pay the fine. If it wasnt for person A then there would be no fine

I bet the driver wishes they'd never done the favour either. OP says the driver was asked for the lift.

Any half decent person would offer at least a contribution in A's position. It would cause so much ill-feeling otherwise - doing someone a favour after work and then being fined for it? I'd be so pissed off and remember it every time I saw them.

B was the driver, but restricted areas can be very tricky and it can be easy to get caught out. I've been driving 20 years and commute plus drive a lot for holidays etc and I have got one such fine - bus lane infringement in an unfamiliar city. It doesn't make someone a shit driver as a very occasional mistake and if someone does that when doing you a favour and you don't think to at least offer something, well, it's not great, is it?

If I asked for the lift rather that it being offered, I'd definitely offer to pay at least half.

I've actually been in this exact position. A friend asked for a lift to a station I don't normally go to and I made a right turn that you used to be able to make. I got fined.

I didn't even mention it to my friend because it's my responsibility to drive properly.

If you were being given a lift and they stacked their car into a wall because they weren't alert enough to not go round it you'd not be offering to pay half the excess would you? Because it's entirely on the competence of the licensed driver.

Same applies for drivers that blindly listen to their non driving passengers. Non drivers don't know shit, if you choose to follow their directions then you're an idiot

@ErrolTheDragon I don't agree. Drivers are responsible for driving according to laws, restrictions etc. I assume there was a way to make the journey without triggering a fine.

Person B should pay

Person A has no obligation to pay anything but if I was Person A then I would probably offer to pay half expecially if the journey to the station was in an area the driver wasn't familiar with or the signposting was poor, or if indeed I had suggested "yes drive don't there I'm sure it will be fine" or similar (I would probably offer to pay the full fine in those circumstances!)

i agree with this. b’s responsibility to pay attention to road signs and therefore their responsibility to pay. But would be nice for A to offer to contribute towards it. And if they didn’t I’d be saying this at any future lift requests.

I'm like you. If I was the driver I wouldn't say a thing and if I was the passenger and it was mentioned I'd want to pay so it's lose-lose for me 😂

If I was B and A didn't offer to pay the full fine (assuming I'd made a special trip out to give the lift and wasn't out and about anyway) then I'd pay it (obviously) but they'd get no more lifts. If they offered to pay the full fine I'd go halves. If they offered half I'd accept and probably wouldn't offer another lift. I'm guessing no petrol money was offered beforehand?

B is responsible for the fine. Why would they think it was A?

If I was the driver I would pay and not mention it to the passenger.

If I was the passenger I would pay.

If there is an argument over who pays they should both be arguing they will.