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Am I missing something? Religion.

303 replies

ButterflyTable · 23/03/2024 12:04

I will caveat this by saying there was a point in my life when I was religious. However I now just feel religion is created by men; about men for men.

I look at women around me who are friends and religious, and their religion oppresses them. Much more than men.

I want to believe in God, or a higher power. But nothing in this world leads me to think there is a God as such. Granted I think there is energy, something out there perhaps connected to our ancestors or the Earth.

Religion to me seems about control, rituals, even having spent time around people of multiple faiths, in their holy buildings - I feel something, I hear a hymn, a call to prayer, I’ve sang I a church congregation. I’ve sat in Temples, I’ve been in Muslim countries and heard the prayers, I’ve experienced and read about a number of faiths. To the extent they all say pretty much the same thing, but I cannot believe in God.

I also feel faith holds people back. I’ve seen a lot wrong done by very religious people.

OP posts:
nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 09:39

@Parker231
Perhaps a little more research would do us all good (including me). Have you read
'The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus'? Or listened to anything by John Lennox?,John is an Emeritus Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford and an Emeritus Fellow in Mathematics and Philosophy of Science at Green Templeton College. John Lennox is certainly challenging!

DanielGault · 26/03/2024 10:00

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 08:18

Until recently, no one could reasonably claim that black holes exist. New things that we can neither see, feel or touch are first being posited as a theory, and then being proved. Are you absolutelly certain that nowhere in this huge great universe is the God who made everything?

You will note that in my post I said "I don't know" which would indicate that I'm not absolutely certain of anything.

WhatWhereWho · 26/03/2024 13:30

nopuppiesallowed · 25/03/2024 14:34

Why do you assume that God gives me nothing back? He gives me a deep peace when things are in upheaval. He gives me strength to deal with difficulties. He gives me joy - which is a thing much deeper than happiness. He gives me security because I know He loves me. And He's protected me in some instances where I was in danger.

Would a decent and compassionate god not stop you being in danger in the first place? Also why do you think god protected you and not others?

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 19:20

@WhatWhereWho
Christians are certainly not guaranteed protection in this life. We fall prey to sickness like anyone else and many are persecuted and killed or jailed, for instance. If we were guaranteed a trouble free life here, people who hurt or upset others wouldn't live long. Sadly, I've hurt and upset people in the past (like everyone - no one is perfect). However, we are definitely guaranteed protection and joy in the next life if we believe and trust in Jesus.

Parker231 · 26/03/2024 19:26

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 19:20

@WhatWhereWho
Christians are certainly not guaranteed protection in this life. We fall prey to sickness like anyone else and many are persecuted and killed or jailed, for instance. If we were guaranteed a trouble free life here, people who hurt or upset others wouldn't live long. Sadly, I've hurt and upset people in the past (like everyone - no one is perfect). However, we are definitely guaranteed protection and joy in the next life if we believe and trust in Jesus.

What evidence do you have that you are guaranteed a next life?

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 19:55

I believe in Jesus and believe in what it says about Him in the New Testament. I know His daily presence in my life. Jesus rose from the dead so I believe that there is life after death (and He taught about it). John 3 16 is my guarantee.

DanielGault · 26/03/2024 20:03

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 19:55

I believe in Jesus and believe in what it says about Him in the New Testament. I know His daily presence in my life. Jesus rose from the dead so I believe that there is life after death (and He taught about it). John 3 16 is my guarantee.

As the saying goes, the only guarantees in life are death and taxes.

Parker231 · 26/03/2024 20:06

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 19:55

I believe in Jesus and believe in what it says about Him in the New Testament. I know His daily presence in my life. Jesus rose from the dead so I believe that there is life after death (and He taught about it). John 3 16 is my guarantee.

You can’t arise from the dead - not possible and if it was, why would it have happened to Jesus?

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 20:30

For God, nothing is impossible. Jesus was God's Son in a way none of us is. Those two reasons are why Jesus was resurrected.

DanielGault · 26/03/2024 20:44

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 20:30

For God, nothing is impossible. Jesus was God's Son in a way none of us is. Those two reasons are why Jesus was resurrected.

With all due respect, this is your belief. It doesn't apply to everyone.

Parker231 · 26/03/2024 20:51

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 20:30

For God, nothing is impossible. Jesus was God's Son in a way none of us is. Those two reasons are why Jesus was resurrected.

If for god nothing is impossible, why doesn’t he do good deeds?

Dacadactyl · 26/03/2024 20:53

People without Faith are always looking for "evidence".

They don't understand why people of Faith don't need hard cold evidence.

We could be here til the end of time talking about it but it's a different mindset and one side will never understand the other.

DanielGault · 26/03/2024 21:12

Parker231 · 26/03/2024 20:51

If for god nothing is impossible, why doesn’t he do good deeds?

Because it's our free will yada yada. You'd wonder what he spends his time doing really.

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 21:30

@Parker231 Are you sure God doesn't do good deeds, Parker? Is there nothing good in your life? Nothing good in this world?

Parker231 · 26/03/2024 21:37

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 21:30

@Parker231 Are you sure God doesn't do good deeds, Parker? Is there nothing good in your life? Nothing good in this world?

Lots good in my life - family and friends and a lovely home in a beautiful part of the world are top of my list . But that has nothing to do with any god.

WhatWhereWho · 26/03/2024 21:40

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 19:20

@WhatWhereWho
Christians are certainly not guaranteed protection in this life. We fall prey to sickness like anyone else and many are persecuted and killed or jailed, for instance. If we were guaranteed a trouble free life here, people who hurt or upset others wouldn't live long. Sadly, I've hurt and upset people in the past (like everyone - no one is perfect). However, we are definitely guaranteed protection and joy in the next life if we believe and trust in Jesus.

You said that you believe god has protected you when you were in danger. Why did god protect you but ignore others? Why do you think god thinks that you are more special or deserving than others?

DanielGault · 26/03/2024 21:41

nopuppiesallowed · 26/03/2024 21:30

@Parker231 Are you sure God doesn't do good deeds, Parker? Is there nothing good in your life? Nothing good in this world?

That's pretty offensive tbh. Have you no capacity to understand that not everyone has the same beliefs as you do?

srailfonaidraug · 27/03/2024 08:31

DanielGault · 26/03/2024 21:41

That's pretty offensive tbh. Have you no capacity to understand that not everyone has the same beliefs as you do?

Not even remotely near as offensive as ignoring God because of the behaviour of someone proclaiming to represent him.

Parker231 · 27/03/2024 08:44

srailfonaidraug · 27/03/2024 08:31

Not even remotely near as offensive as ignoring God because of the behaviour of someone proclaiming to represent him.

I ignore god as I don’t believe he exists.

DanielGault · 27/03/2024 08:50

srailfonaidraug · 27/03/2024 08:31

Not even remotely near as offensive as ignoring God because of the behaviour of someone proclaiming to represent him.

I'll ignore God as much or as little as I want thank you very much. Free will and all that 🙂

srailfonaidraug · 27/03/2024 09:02

DanielGault · 26/03/2024 21:41

That's pretty offensive tbh. Have you no capacity to understand that not everyone has the same beliefs as you do?

^Well you won't be needing this comment any more then will you?^

DanielGault · 27/03/2024 09:04

srailfonaidraug · 27/03/2024 09:02

^Well you won't be needing this comment any more then will you?^

Righteo.

Parker231 · 27/03/2024 09:06

srailfonaidraug · 27/03/2024 09:02

^Well you won't be needing this comment any more then will you?^

As of January 2024, approximately 30 percent of people in Great Britain said that they believed in a God / Gods, compared with 37 percent who had no belief in God / Gods at all.

Lentilweaver · 27/03/2024 09:09

Hinduism, my religion of birth, recognises atheism. So I can still be a Hindu while also being an atheist and rejecting all the regressive parts of my religion I don't believe in. It's a wide temple!

DanielGault · 27/03/2024 12:10

Lentilweaver · 27/03/2024 09:09

Hinduism, my religion of birth, recognises atheism. So I can still be a Hindu while also being an atheist and rejecting all the regressive parts of my religion I don't believe in. It's a wide temple!

That sounds lovely tbh!