36 year old dog walker murdered

[ForTonightGodisaDJ]

in Snow Hill by a 15 and 16 year old. Why have these not been named unlike the killers of Brianna Ghey?

It probably was a hate crime then, against a disabled person with learning differences.

As mentioned upthread I’ve appealed- I didn’t know he had learning difficulties. Can someone else fill in the linked form- I think it’s pertinent.
@BluntFatball ?

The cases are not the same but these sentences are absolutely disgraceful. The judge should be ashamed.

Not that it’s the (sole or even major) reason for the disparity between sentences, but Brianna’s case was deemed to be a hate crime.

What should the judge be ashamed for?

Ultimately, a man is dead because of their actions. He would have been alive and well today, had they not attacked him. Call it what you will, such short sentences are not appropriate. His poor mum 🥲 They should have been given years, not some paltry, token punishment.

Why do you need me to say it? They were both done by teenagers.

How do you work that one out? They were both done by teenagers!

Because they were both done by teenagers of a similar age.

@ForTonightGodisaDJ

Having the same perpetrators of a crime doesn’t make it exactly the same.

In the case of Brianna Ghey it was meticulously planned, they wanted her dead and they tricked her into meeting them
and stabbed her, then ran away and tried to blame each other.
there were many other factors involved including the use of social media and teenagers having access to the dark web and those two will be in prison for a long time, so naming them was deemed to be in the public interest. There’s a very good podcast called The Trial which goes into a lot of detail about the Brianna trial and there’s expert witnesses that aren’t convinced the Scarlet Jenkinson can actually be rehabilitated anyway!

The story above is abhorrent and it’s an awful thing to have happened and yes the sentencing is woefully inadequate but there doesn’t appear to be the same level of planning/intention and they admitted guilt. With that in mind there is probably a higher chance for rehabilitation so naming them is of no public interest.

Minors are not named upon arrest, if that's what has happened. They may be named if convicted but not always. This would be a very basic thing to find out before goading on mumsnet.

Poor man and his poor mother.

With his injuries he may not have been thinking straight so discharged himself.

Disgraceful I have no words for this appauling crime, why the leniency?

It is relevant if one was a hate crime and one wasn’t. You get longer sentences for committing hate crimes, so that will be part (but not all) of the reason why the killers of Ghey got many more years than in this case.

Whether a victim has learning difficulties or any other vulnerabilities or not, I really don't think a crime should be treated less seriously on the grounds that 'if the victim had sought medical help, he might have lived'.

Obviously it would have been much better for him personally if he had managed to survive this wicked attack, but I find it disgusting that it's considered the victim's responsibility to mitigate the seriousness of a savage, totally unprovoked crime against them.

Would an actual rape be 'downgraded' to only 'attempted rape' - because the victim was blamed for not fighting him off quite as strongly as she allegedly could have done? Absolutely disgusting.

Locals are incandescent at the lenient sentencing these little monsters have recieved. The beasts were well known trouble makers, feral, with parents that don't give a shit about their spawn.

Thanks for clarifying this, BluntFatball.

Why doesn't this surprise me? How can the parents not be held at all accountable for their extreme neglect in (not) bringing up children who will commit such a crime before they're even adults?

This may be very controversial, but unless there is very strong evidence that they did make every effort, I would give them the same sentence as their children and consider them effectively accomplices to the crime.

I hadn't even heard of this case till now, which just shows how the media prioritises some cases and not others.
Ditto- I feel so manipulated by what is brought to the forefront of news reporting.
Sorry BluntFatball for knowing these people are in your community.
What is this, if not a hate crime?

This is part of the reason why I posted this. It was mentioned VERY briefly on the midlands news.

I agree, especially if he had a learning disability, as he might have had limited understanding of the risks he was taking in self-discharging. Horrible case to read and sickening that it's not being treated as a hate crime if he did have LD.

The extremely short sentences.

@Penguinmouse

Don't be ridiculous, it sentencing guidelines he has to adhere to.... he can't just pluck a sentence of his choosing out of the air!

Absolutely disgusting. What fucked up world are we living in nowadays when murdering someone (which is exactly what they did, doesn’t matter about the intent, they won’t have given a shit if they had killed him there and then, they won’t give a shit that they’ve killed him now) gets you 18 months?!

What’s to stop them killing again, thinking ah well, we want to do it, we enjoy it and we only get 18 months.

I despair more and more of our society every day. The world truly is fucked up now and I feel so guilty bringing my daughter into it. I’m so fearful for her teenage and adult years.

Thanks

That should be no surprise

Disgusting feral scum

How have you done this? The form asks for the name of the person(s) sentenced before allowing you to continue with the form. The names haven't been released.