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AIBU for getting sick of friends baby voice?

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Itsmekate · 20/03/2024 02:21

Name changed as this is outing.

My friend of many years has always been quirky and that’s why I love her, she’s over 40 but still has a silly side and is very reluctant to grow up! Even her children get embarrassed sometimes at her immature behaviour but she just doesn’t give a fuck what anyone thinks.

Some examples of her behaviour are: skipping round supermarkets singing, wearing very bright clothing often covered in glitter and unicorns, finding it funny to fart in meetings and blame someone else, giving people silly nicknames, playing practical jokes etc…
Her teenagers love her to bits but often have to tell her to grow up and remind her that she has friends her own age when she wants to join them when they go out of friends visit the house.

I know this makes her sound like a nightmare but she’s an amazing friend in every other way and puts everyone before herself, other then these quirky behaviours she’s loyal, great company, reliable and trustworthy. She’s had a lot of tragedy in her life which I think has caused her to regress and why I worry I’m being unreasonable.

Recently she’s started talking in a baby voice and changing her words to childish ones, she’ll say things like here come the nee naws, I got an ouchie, I need to go do a wee wee, my wanna do it, and in a whiney voice “that’s minnnnne” or “I don’t wanna gooooo”
She had to go to an important meeting and asked me to go as support but I had to tell her to get a grip when she span on a swivel chair saying “wheee watch me!”

I have mentioned this a few times and she gets defensive and says it’s just a bit of fun, her children are older teens but she copies things her young nieces and nephews say.
Her children have begged her not to do this and my partner refuses to go out with us after she was behaving like this in public. Her parents have told her to grow up and she just laughs and calls anyone who criticises boring, the more people comment the worse it gets.

I know this sounds absolutely ridiculous and people will think I’m making it up, but it’s actually getting ridiculous because I’m starting to hate spending time with her, I feel terrible saying I’m embarrassed by my friend but an adult skipping round Tesco wearing a unicorn backpack and singing silly made up rhymes just attracts attention and I hate people staring at her and judging her, it makes me feel protective as well as embarrassed.

WIBU if I tell her that people don’t see her as this young fun person she thinks she is and that it’s making me cringe or should I just hope she’ll eventually either take on board what people are saying and hope it passes? If it’s making her feel better about growing older then should I be interfering? She’s not hurting anyone and doesn’t do it all the time - but it is becoming more frequent and I’m scared it’ll become an ingrained habit.

If anyone asks her age or date or birth she tells them she’s 18 and even if it’s being asked for an important reason (like a hospital appointment) she refuses to back down until they just go along with it. I think most people are humouring her assuming she’s mentally ill and I don’t feel that’s the case. I think she’s just recently turned 40 and completely in denial but I’m hoping as she gets used to it the behaviour will stop.

I wondered if anyone else knows someone like this and how they handled it? I don’t want to lose my friend but it’s difficult having a serious conversation with someone who answers serious questions like “did you get your car fixed?” With
“No brum brum is still poorly and has to go to car hospikal”
Its getting increasingly difficult not to get frustrated and angry.

She has no husband or partner because she wanted to wait until her children were grown up and moved out so they never had a step dad they didn’t like or a blended family. This is an example of the selfless person she is, her children’s father has seen this side of her but just says it’s nothing to do with him and it’s not causing any harm to the kids and she’s just a bit batty.

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Wastedagreatusername · 20/03/2024 10:47

MH issue or not, there’s nothing you can do unless she identifies it as a problem and wants to change. From what you say, numerous people have already spoken to her but she’s not interested in changing.

She’s a functioning adult who has successfully raised children and is holding down a job. I don’t think a GP or MH services will be interested

DrJoanAllenby · 20/03/2024 10:48

Unless she has some kind of brain injury or illness that is causing these disturbing behaviours I would have to avoid her at all costs to avoid punching her is she started speaking like an imbecile.

Does she have a brain tumour?

LardoBurrows · 20/03/2024 10:52

LunaNorth · 20/03/2024 06:31

She could get a job advertising Haribo.

😂😂

LittleWeed2 · 20/03/2024 11:00

I would give her the details of an autism, adhd psychiatrist - and not in a jokey way.

I would also say embarrassing and humiliating your DCs is not on - I had a heavy drinking parent and having a slurring, staggering DP is horrible -this sounds similar.

MoonWoman69 · 20/03/2024 11:02

@HowToSaveAWife Exactly this!

Frisate · 20/03/2024 11:15

grinandslothit · 20/03/2024 04:31

She sounds fun.

If this was a man, everybody would be going on saying how fun and eccentric he is.

There are plenty of grumpy miserable people around and people put up with it, but somehow a woman who has decided to be light-hearted and fun has something wrong with them and needs to be told off.

If you don't like her, don't hang out with her anymore. I'm sure there will be other people who want to hang out with her.

No, everyone would be saying he’s batshit crazy too.

KreedKafer · 20/03/2024 11:38

If this was a man, everybody would be going on saying how fun and eccentric he is

LOL. Of course they fucking wouldn't. They'd be calling him a creepy weirdo who gets off on pretending to be a child and would imply that he was doing it to groom children. Do keep up.

She sounds fun

Nope, she sounds unbearable and attention-seeking. At best.

CharlotteBog · 20/03/2024 11:43

It's up to you whether you spend time with her in public or not.
Her behaviour in a professional setting is terrible though and would need to be addressed.

Thepeopleversuswork · 20/03/2024 11:50

I think she thought it was cute and quirky, in an 'I'm mad, me!' kind of way, and this was now her idea of her 'personality'. Maybe it came from a deep insecurity, where she hadn't felt able to deal with the world as a grown up, so she was signalling to everyone she met 'Don't treat me as an equal, make allowances for me, because I'm only little!',

I've come across this syndrome quite a lot in adult women for years: self-infantilization. Adult women fetishising pink and rainbows, talking in cutesy voices, sucking thumbs, high-pitched giggles and hair-twirling behaving in self-consciously "childlike" ways. It's very much a "thing" and it's hard to know how much of this is affected and how much is natural but I'd say a lot of it is learned behaviour from observing how other women (maybe mums or sisters) act in front of men.

It's nauseating but I think the social implications are much more worrying: this is about women making themselves as "small" as they can be in relation to men. Possibly because their specific menfolk are threatened by them having too much agency and have put them down in the past by standing up for themselves or maybe just because they've observed the way society talks about women who have too much agency.

Phrases like "bossy", "opinionated", "nag", "masculine" etc are still routinely applied to women who are seen to project too much "self", to have strong opinions or boundaries. We still learn (subliminally) that women have to manipulate men into thinking they are stupid to get them to do things, to keep their real thoughts and views under wraps, to not rock the boat and keep them sweet etc. A lot of people seem to think that its OK for women to be strong if its done with "stealth": ie do what you want but make him think he's had his own way.

I have no idea what this particular person's psyche is about and what their motivations are and I don't think any of this excuses her from behaving like a complete pain in the arse but I do think this needs to be seen in this wider context. It may not be overtly about pleasing men but it's definitely shaped by this.

ChipsCheeseAndGravey · 20/03/2024 12:06

WIBU if I tell her that people don’t see her as this young fun person she thinks she is and that it’s making me cringe or should I just hope she’ll eventually either take on board what people are saying and hope it passes?

I don’t think you should say it like that, but I do think you should speak to her.

You mentioned she has had a bit of a hard time in life? This sounds like it could be to do with that. I had some … adverse childhood experiences and it has 100% impacted my behaviour in almost every way. I enjoy childish things, dress a little weird, and sometimes have very big emotional reactions to things. Therapy has helped me recognise this and has helped me to keep it healthy.

What age are her kids? Are they leaving soon? Are they moving further away? This ramp up sounds like it could be a reaction to something like that.

The thing with getting help is she will only do it if she wants it. There’s a big difference between being someone who’s a fun loving adult who’s very in touch with their inner child and loves a bit of Lego and the odd harmless practical joke and someone who comes off as a tragic nutter, it’s a fine line sometimes.

As for the “if she was a man” stuff there’s a grain of truth in there, it’s seen as more acceptable for men to have childish nerdy hobbies, but in this case I think it’s more than that and if this was a man people would also be concerned.

Nanny0gg · 20/03/2024 12:09

grinandslothit · 20/03/2024 04:31

She sounds fun.

If this was a man, everybody would be going on saying how fun and eccentric he is.

There are plenty of grumpy miserable people around and people put up with it, but somehow a woman who has decided to be light-hearted and fun has something wrong with them and needs to be told off.

If you don't like her, don't hang out with her anymore. I'm sure there will be other people who want to hang out with her.

No I wouldn't

I would find it tedious and embarrassing

BarbaraWoodlouse1 · 20/03/2024 12:12

You could suggest you meet up but ask if you can meet where there are less people as you’ve been struggling with all the attention she’s bringing to you lately. You could then say you’ve noticed her behaviour is a bit more full on lately. Tell her you love her dearly and are genuinely concerned she’s becoming increasingly manic in her behaviour. Ask her if she’s aware of it. My friend’s daughter recently became more and more manic before having an awful psychotic episode. Tell her you need to be sure nothing like this is going on for her.

I bet she’s got a really serious job hasn’t she? Wouldn’t be surprised if she works in palliative care or somewhere where she sees a lot of darkness and she’s therefore trying, (possibly too hard) to bring in the light.

Be gentle in your approach.

DrJoanAllenby · 20/03/2024 12:13

I'm picturing her blowing around like Drop dead Fred. Funny if it's Rik Mayall, bloody awful if it's a woman acting like a complete and utter prat.

soupfiend · 20/03/2024 12:13

Wastedagreatusername · 20/03/2024 10:47

MH issue or not, there’s nothing you can do unless she identifies it as a problem and wants to change. From what you say, numerous people have already spoken to her but she’s not interested in changing.

She’s a functioning adult who has successfully raised children and is holding down a job. I don’t think a GP or MH services will be interested

Im not sure people really know what is categorised as a MH illness or disorder when they bandy things around like that

DrJoanAllenby · 20/03/2024 12:14

'Be gentle in your approach.'

🙄

That needs to go in the bin along with the sanctimonious 'be kind' nonsense.

RobertaFirmino · 20/03/2024 12:14

She's probably full of unresolved trauma and this is the result. As if she wants to relive her childhood. I've heard of people 're-birthing' in an attempt to start all over again, I wonder if the 're-enactment' would appeal to her, given that she seems quite theatrical. You could offer to 'deliver' her!

BarbaraWoodlouse1 · 20/03/2024 12:17

DrJoanAllenby · 20/03/2024 12:14

'Be gentle in your approach.'

🙄

That needs to go in the bin along with the sanctimonious 'be kind' nonsense.

If she has got an escalating mental health problem she most definitely needs to be gentle.

LakeTiticaca · 20/03/2024 12:20

Does she use the voice in all scenarios or just among her friends?
Does she talk to strangers in the voice?

Minfilia · 20/03/2024 12:22

She sounds REALLY irritating!

PossumintheHouse · 20/03/2024 12:23

BarbaraWoodlouse1 · 20/03/2024 12:12

You could suggest you meet up but ask if you can meet where there are less people as you’ve been struggling with all the attention she’s bringing to you lately. You could then say you’ve noticed her behaviour is a bit more full on lately. Tell her you love her dearly and are genuinely concerned she’s becoming increasingly manic in her behaviour. Ask her if she’s aware of it. My friend’s daughter recently became more and more manic before having an awful psychotic episode. Tell her you need to be sure nothing like this is going on for her.

I bet she’s got a really serious job hasn’t she? Wouldn’t be surprised if she works in palliative care or somewhere where she sees a lot of darkness and she’s therefore trying, (possibly too hard) to bring in the light.

Be gentle in your approach.

Edited

My experience of darker jobs is that you use dark humour to counteract it, rather than act like a Tellytubby.

Mayflower282 · 20/03/2024 12:23

Some psychologist theorise that talking in baby speak creates intimacy and vulnerability, however it’s usually between romantic partners.

AIBU for getting sick of friends baby voice?
PossumintheHouse · 20/03/2024 12:24

DrJoanAllenby · 20/03/2024 12:14

'Be gentle in your approach.'

🙄

That needs to go in the bin along with the sanctimonious 'be kind' nonsense.

Are you on a ban mission today?

amusedbush · 20/03/2024 12:40

When I first started reading this, I noticed a few parallels between your friend and some things common in the ND community, e.g. brightly coloured/sparkly/child-like clothes. I am autistic and have ADHD, I dress for comfort and sensory requirements, and I have always been really drawn to kids' shoes/bags, etc. It sounded (at first) like she lacks impulse control or may be stimming.

HOWEVER, I have finished reading and I do not think this woman is ND. This, especially, stood out to me: "she just laughs and calls anyone who criticises boring, the more people comment the worse it gets."

A large proportion of ND people are very sensitive to criticism (rejection sensitive dysphoria) and would feel humiliated if someone pulled them up for "embarrassing" behaviour in public. It sounds like your friend knows exactly what she's doing; she's behaving that way to get a reaction and she does it more often because it's winding people up.

It may well be a trauma response or a mental/physical health condition causing her to regress or lose her inhibitions but if she wasn't willing to address the issue, I'd have to step back from the friendship.

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 20/03/2024 12:40

grinandslothit · 20/03/2024 04:31

She sounds fun.

If this was a man, everybody would be going on saying how fun and eccentric he is.

There are plenty of grumpy miserable people around and people put up with it, but somehow a woman who has decided to be light-hearted and fun has something wrong with them and needs to be told off.

If you don't like her, don't hang out with her anymore. I'm sure there will be other people who want to hang out with her.

I dunno. If my male colleague ripped one out during a meeting, I’m pretty sure I’d think he was a weapons grade dickhead.

MeridianB · 20/03/2024 12:48

I agree she needs counselling. It’s all done purely to generate attention so it would healthier to get to the bottom of why so she can get some peace, have a more balanced outlook, and channel all the energy into something more constructive.

In the meantime, it’s fine to ‘be yourself and not care what others think’ but you have to accept the consequences- friends not wanting to go out with you, children upset, work removing her from meetings etc.