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M25 roadworks - get a grip

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crumblinecentral · 16/03/2024 00:35

I'm sorry but anyone who lives or works outside of the "golden sphere" that is the M25 has had to deal with road/motorway closures and sudden changes in route/planning for decades.

Why do we have to be subjected to this as "national news"?

FFS they close motorways every weekend in North West, Yorkshire, Midlands, Wales, Scotland and elsewhere on a regular basis.

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missfliss · 16/03/2024 09:01

Some of the responses here are cheering me immensely GrinGrinGrin

SilkFloss · 16/03/2024 09:04

I think the North/South thing is a red herring. Any busy stretch of motorway that is going to close for whatever reason needs to be broadcast widely in order to limit disruption as far as possible. The fact that there was a shit-show on the M6 a while back means that perhaps the authorities have learned from that and trying to prevent a repeat.

I don't live anywhere near the M27 but when there were weekend closures on there a few years back, I welcomed the advance warnings about it as I had visits planned in that area.

quantumbutterfly · 16/03/2024 09:10

Sleepmoreplease · 16/03/2024 08:57

Some people resent the South East so much it completely warps their perspective. Yes, in the South East free buses run every 2 minutes and the roads are paved with gold... We just don't realise because we're all such spoiled bastards.

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Round here the fields are just being paved, we're losing acres of farmland and woodland to developers, green belt is rapidly being lost and our infrastructure is not fit for purpose.

The scale of what's happening at j10 is huge and it's not just about existing traffic issues.

Hernameisdeborah · 16/03/2024 09:10

RandomMess · 16/03/2024 08:40

@Hernameisdeborah yes it's was J33 south Lancaster/The uni to Preston - one of the main weekends for students to return to uni.

There was no publicity locally in Lancaster/Morecambe etc let alone further north. We only found out as a business on the A road has been sent a letter and posted it on the Preston FB group - so total chance really. Didn't show up on Google maps as shut!

They had put up signs on the M6 on the weekdays leading up to it completely oblivious that most locals only use it at the weekends!!

Funnily enough the one A Road couldn't cope, just like it can't when it closed to an accident.

They cancelled the future weekend closures as they finally calculated there just aren't alternate routes that stretch serves Heysham port and all the lorry traffic to West Scotland 24/7.

Thank you, yes I remember that well. I feel so so sorry for anyone caught up in those closures. That was just dangerous. I think one of the issues with that one was, it was publicised as if it was a bog standard local closure with a few tweets and online articles but not much else. A lot of people travelling back from holidays in Scotland or The Lake District had no idea about it. I think that did show the need to share news about complete closures of motorways as widely as possible.

Orangesandsatsumas · 16/03/2024 09:19

ClairDeLaLune · 16/03/2024 08:35

YANBU. I’ve just Google mapped Heathrow to Gatwick and it’s currently 1 hour 10 minutes. Hardly a crisis 🤷‍♀️

Firstly - it's 8.35 on a Saturday morning. It will get busier. Secondly - isn't it good they publicised it so that some people will be avoiding those roads unless they need to? Thirdly - it isn't just people travelling from Gatwick to Heathrow, of which I imagine there aren't that many.

Teenangels · 16/03/2024 09:20

Tilkyghg6366 · 16/03/2024 07:34

Please do not even attempt to infer that as somebody living in London you have shit public transport.

Please don’t infer that I don’t have shit public transport in London, you seem a little silly to believe that London does not have rural parts have a look on a map. Sweetie if you want I can send you the bus timetables.

SilkFloss · 16/03/2024 09:25

"Sweetie?!"
Confused

SilkFloss · 16/03/2024 09:28

Gosh, the OP and @Tilkyghg6366 will spontaneously combust when they read that Tom Cruise has hired helicopters to transport cast and crew to the Mission Impossible film set in Surrey!

Teenangels · 16/03/2024 09:33

nuschmoo · 16/03/2024 07:41

@Teenangels
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I live in London, no tube, train within 5 miles, a bus that runs once every 2 hours stops at 6.30pm and does not run on a Sunday
"
Whereabouts in London do you live??

OP of course this closure should be on the national news. It's huge. It doesn't just affect people living there. It's going t impact all who are travelling too / from Gatwick and Heathrow too.

Zone 6, Kent London border.
Nearest tube is 15 miles away

Teenangels · 16/03/2024 09:33

SilkFloss · 16/03/2024 09:25

"Sweetie?!"
Confused

I am using the same tone as who I was responding to.

LipstickLil · 16/03/2024 09:34

This is the sad reality of the M25, unless you live near it you don't understand the impact of it closing/being shut.

Yep! I live on a main road about a mile from one of the junctions on the north section and if there is an accident on the M25 our area is gridlocked with traffic trying to find a quicker route. I can literally look out of my window and tell you whether there is a problem on the M25, because the road outside is solid in both directions.

I feel a great deal of sympathy for anyone living on the route of the diversion. I just hope a lot of people who are due to make unnecessary journeys decide to stay at home instead (but I know they won't - people are remarkably selfish/stupid).

Morph22010 · 16/03/2024 09:43

AIstolemylunch · 16/03/2024 08:25

Have you driven in Surrey recently? Or tried to get a bus? No, thought not. And I couldn't afford to live in Cornwall, or Cheshire, so what? Surrey isnt paved with Gold you know. Millionaires in Cheshire or Chelsea or Cobham might have it easier in terms of well maintained roads, and probably don't take buses, but normal people in Surrey, or anywhere else, certainly don't.

I repeat my question, do you ever use Heathrow? In which case this work affects you as much as any other people who don't live locally.

Most people in this country never have and never will use Heathrow.

VictoriaToria · 16/03/2024 09:50

Tilkyghg6366 · 16/03/2024 06:43

Yes, yes re the M6 which we have to check ahead for. It’s in an absolute state with shit facilities along it too. Where is the hysteria about the frequent inconvenience with that?

I live near to junction 17 of the M6! Absolutely hell and worse since it became a ‘smart’ stretch of the motorway!

MrsVino · 16/03/2024 09:50

LlynTegid · 16/03/2024 07:33

None of this work is necessary. Ban middle lane hoggers, enforce other road crimes and no letting people off bans because of inconvenience, and the capacity in that area will be more than adequate.

I also doubt it needs to be a complete weekend closure. Roadworks are never planned with consideration for people as users of the roads.

Edited

I agree with this. It’s heartbreaking to see the surrounding trees and green areas that have been destroyed. The area is renowned for flooding as well and they’re also building houses …
It’s a joke.

AIstolemylunch · 16/03/2024 09:50

Rubbish. Its one of the busiest airports in the world and even if they don't, much of the stuff they order online will do, or come through Dover and then via the M25 to wherever they live. And nobody living in the South West is driving to Manchester to get to the US or the Middle East or Australia.

But then the people suggesting the M25 is irrelevant to them probably don't fly either.

SilkFloss · 16/03/2024 09:52

"Most people in this country never have and never will use Heathrow."
Do you have a link for that statistic?
And how is it relevant what proportion of the country;s total population do or do not use it? The fact remains that Heathrow in particular is one of the busiest airports in the world and therefore many thousands of people using it this weekend will be impacted. Doesn't matter where they live.

BlackberrySky · 16/03/2024 09:57

It's funny how roadworks seem to bring out the worst of people's parochial short sightedness. Presumably the OP was equally disgusted when the channel tunnel closures were on the news, or when the baggage conveyors breaking down at Heathrow one July was top story?
An extremely busy section of a very busy motorway close to our capital city and Europe's busiest airport is closed in the daytime for the first time in its 40 year history to accommodate a massive road improvement project. Take out your obvious dislike of London for a moment , OP. Doesn't that sound like a story that merits news coverage? People need to avoid the area, and not just the folk who live right by it.

UltraLiteLife · 16/03/2024 10:01

We've got care and support responsibilities that mean we use the M25 every weekend because we're the nearest. The usual less than 4hr roundtrip this weekend will add 8hrs plus to the travel time with the workarounds (if they work).

As it is, there's someone we can't now visit at all.

I get that we are the traffic but these journeys are not unnecessary and can't be deferred.

Tiddlywinks63 · 16/03/2024 10:03

LucyLaundry · 16/03/2024 06:17

We had about 4 years of weekend closures on the M4 whilst it was converted to a smart motorway. It also ŵas major junctions and a busy area (Heathrow/M25/Slough/Reading) and we live on the division route. It was chaos but I don't remember being so hysterical.

The BBC coverage verged on hysterical with Charlie Stayt and Naga Munchetty gasping at the shots of an empty M25 🙄.
Ok it’s going to inconvenience many people but comments like ‘I had to do my shopping yesterday because it’s going to be impossible to leave the house Saturday’ are just farcical.

NOTANUM · 16/03/2024 10:08

JacquesHarlow · 16/03/2024 02:00

The statisticians don’t tend to deal in fractions when describing which motorway is the busiest in the UK.

I’m sure that sections of the M6 are as busy as the M25 at times.

But overall, the M25 is Britain’s busiest motorway.

Interestingly I went to look at the stats. Four out of the top 5 busiest segments of road in the UK are the M25.

The M6 didn’t even get a mention.

This is the type of top quality discussion Mumsnet was famed for - facts, research, it’s got it all!

SoupDragon · 16/03/2024 10:09

MrsVino · 16/03/2024 09:50

I agree with this. It’s heartbreaking to see the surrounding trees and green areas that have been destroyed. The area is renowned for flooding as well and they’re also building houses …
It’s a joke.

Do you actually know why they are removing trees and what they are doing?

NOTANUM · 16/03/2024 10:12

Let’s also have a shout out for the poor people of Cornwall who have faced endless signalling issues since the new improved (lol) version came in two weeks ago. Barely a train went through Cornwall yesterday from Penzance towards Plymouth/London. That’s a whole county who couldn’t move: weddings, meetings, weekends away - all disrupted.
And then we wonder why there isn’t regeneration in Cornwall. The transport is shocking and everyone drives causing traffic jams everywhere.

AuntieStella · 16/03/2024 10:13

I've just been looking at the pix of the work and the deserted carriageways

I just wish one of the race organiser companies had put on a "Run the M25" event Grin
Though it might have been a bit tricky to get to the start/end points!

Beckafett · 16/03/2024 10:13

UltraLiteLife · 16/03/2024 10:01

We've got care and support responsibilities that mean we use the M25 every weekend because we're the nearest. The usual less than 4hr roundtrip this weekend will add 8hrs plus to the travel time with the workarounds (if they work).

As it is, there's someone we can't now visit at all.

I get that we are the traffic but these journeys are not unnecessary and can't be deferred.

Totally this, I often think 'I know I'm the problem' but sometimes there is literally no other option.

quantumbutterfly · 16/03/2024 10:22

SoupDragon · 16/03/2024 10:09

Do you actually know why they are removing trees and what they are doing?

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/wisley-airfield-development-5-key-27943591

' the borough council’s local plan, which allocated the site for up to 2,000 homes and removed it from the green belt.'

Five key issues for villagers fighting plans for 1,700 homes

An appeal into plans for the land near the A3 and the M25 is continuing

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/wisley-airfield-development-5-key-27943591

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