To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

[Redrosetat]

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

He didn’t say trans people.

I’m not sure either, politicians can be smart but they also should be clear. Lawyerly statements that avoid clarity aren’t that great generally. And Starmer seems to rely on the method a fair bit, especially when it comes to this issue

It’s another form of spin to avoid
not speaking wrt Labour voters who don’t care and prefer less info

How much difference will losing the support of GC voters actually make in the real world?

I defo agree with them on a lot of things but outside of twitter/mumsnet I've never heard anyone talking about it. None of my friends seem to care about it at all.

Your surmise correctly. The number of women intending to vote Labour is actually up from the last election.

If they get the mandate to erode rights further I guess we’ll see who complains.

There’s a whole segment of males hoping it’s the case and some are helping them out nicely.

Is it that many men though, really?

I saw a post on the feminism board which genuinely asked why there wasn’t huge mass protests and it didn’t seem to occur to them that outside of their GC bubble, on a day to day basis most people do not consider it a top priority in terms of policy or see how it’s going to effect the mass majority of women on a day to day basis.

it doesn’t help that - taking the board here for example - they don’t aeem to care about wanting to “win” people to their cause anyway - calling other women a handmaiden or dick panderer etc etc. if you wanted a mass protest you need to think like a politician and get people on your side, not angrily cuss them down if their view does not exactly align with yours.

What about crap Ministers?

This thread has so many posts I haven't had a chance to check.
Do we know why the Equalities Minister was in parliament on Friday to lend her weight to the debate that she tweeted about?
Indeed do we know why she hasn't introduced a bill on behalf of the government on the subject?

Fortunately we know exactly what Sunak stands for, as he has repeatedly demonstrated in his time in government.

Staying in power as long as possible in order to enrich himself, his father in law and others who already have more money than anyone could possibly need.

It takes a disproportionally small amount mostly because GRA legislation underpins the lobbying

Without that law no a minority of males would not get the outcomes from politicians

All this is not just on mn, it’s not even just U.K. - if people look at Riley Gaines in US, a 70 year old woman punched in NZ, parents speaking up against a teacher with distorted appearance in Canada - basically those countries with similar law have similar issues

Then also not on mn Maya Forstater who won a big court case, Sharron Davies who likely gets loads of abuse (more than the ‘bubble’ accusation you sometimes see on here)

Along with that small number of men are lobbying groups, some media, many organisations including international and many who make a living from it - likely on here too

It’s interesting when the GRA was created Hansard cites someone who was for it

Let me make it clear that it will not be possible for a man simply to declare that he is of the opposite gender and then compete in women's competitions.

They really did get it wrong.

And they probably didn’t even talk about puberty blockers or ‘gender affirming care’ for children which is a woefully inadequate phrase for what happens

Again not just here, where ever the legislation underpins it. The U.K. has joined a few countries who have stopped puberty blockers

The thing is that 'GC voters' you seem to think are a rarity. Everyone in the country however knows that no human being can change sex and most understand that women and girls should not be discriminated against. That's a lot of people.
Yes there is a hardcore of vile hard left men who want us kept in our place and this and are using genderism to do this. This is why sunlight needs to be shone where they don't want it to go. Labour must be questioned on and be made to defend their policies and let's see how they go down.

On X day after Keir Starmer spoke at the conference from Anneleise Dodds.

‘Tackling health inequalities ‘ . Other than waiting times for gender affirming ‘care’ what health inequalities are specific to the LGBT community I wonder?

if LGBT people are facing discrimination in relation to access to healthcare because they are they would be able to bring claims under the Equality Act , but this really isn’t what Dodds is referring to.

it is clear that this refers to ‘gender affirming care’ which is what the TRAs are lobbying for speedy access to despite the lack of evidence base.

Is it a lot of people who care enough to make it a priority as a vote though?

Labour are not going to spearhead a campaign saying “people can change sex and use whatever toilet they like” so it’s never going to feature high on the list of things people care about.

Link with the evidence of the date this was said, last month just after the conference regarding promises to the LGBT community.

https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1752662455791075823

Maybe it will maybe it won’t, whatever, Labour may as well be clear and women can decide

If it will have zero impact on votes they can rest easy and not do the avoiding

It is actually disgusting that they insist on using the term ‘conversion therapy’ for what is essentially talking therapy or psychological help for people who may - or may not - be confused and or have significant psychological issues.

Everyone’s heard of the horrific ‘conversion therapy’ used by religious groups in America, to ‘turn gay people straight’, and this is nothing like that. Obviously.

Yet another lie from Labour.

But of course

Disgraceful what has been allowed to happen under Tory leadership.

Those who claim no one cares and it’s a privilege etc are you pro puberty blockers and self ID?

Fantastic that they closed that house of unregulated disrepute, and have enabled the banning of drugs that would affect poor children for ever - in unknown ways.

She’s busy today on the media round saying the thing she said was racist and unacceptable last week is all fine because he apologised (he didn’t) and we should all move on.
So she’s no better for other types of inequality than she is for women’s issues. Her principles are non existent, it’s all about what will advance her career.

Why did they open “that house of unregulated disrepute” in the first place? It was opened in 1989 under the Thatcher government. And why did it take them 13 years?

Because its a hot news item that gets lots of clicks, therefore suddenly they want to look like they are doing something because theres an election looming.....

I guess we are all a bit more educated / knowledgeable on the subject than we were then. In addition to the fact that when it was opened, its aim was to help people - not to be abused by misinformed / unscrupulous individuals, indoctrinated by an unscientific and harmful ideology.