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To think the 'work shy' rhetoric is insulting?

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DeliaDerbyshiresSlippers · 11/03/2024 15:29

Who are all these great swathes of work shy people? The Express today, never grow tired of rehashing the same old pre-election trump card - convincing people that our most vulnerable are bleeding the country dry (shhh, don't mention the state pension).

Who even believes this stuff anymore? How did slashing benefits during austerity help anything, how did it fix the fucking country? It only created more decaying towns and a system that can no longer support those in need (kids mental health, dentistry).

Who is the demographic this illiterate garbage is aimed at? My guess is moneyed working class 'boot-strappers' (it's hardly a intellectual broadsheet).
I only know of two people who access the benefits system, both disabled and both actually work as much as they can.

Do people really think, considering the utter shit show we are in, that making poorer people even poorer is a good idea? Will it make some peevish armchair grump feel better about having to pay tax? And is this typical armchair grump completely unaware of tax avoidance? Or is that ok, because 'trickle down, blah blah, creating jobs, blah blah)?

The rhetoric itself is punitive and degrading. This idea that everyone in receipt of benefits (inc. in work benefits) is a shirking, scumbag. The language is reminiscent of how prisoners or deviants were discussed in medieval society.

I thought I was non partisan, or at best apolitical, the outlook for the poorest in the UK looks dismal no matter who is in power Sad

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Lampslights · 15/03/2024 17:37

LaCasaBuenita · 15/03/2024 11:55

It’s not mental health treatment that we need. It’s changes to society to prevent mental health cases arising. The sharp rise in itself will tell you that these cases are driven by social factors not biological ones. There isn’t a lot of effective treatment for most mental illnesses.

We need a better, fairer society. When people are happier they won’t get anxiety and depression in the same numbers.

On the same numbers maybe, but there is no macro data to support your feelings, mental health issues habe been around since humans have existed. There is no perfect society that can prevent it.

Seldom is clinically diagnosed mental illness solely environmental, and people can have personal issues than can make them slide into mental illness. Be it abuse, loneliness, the loss of a loved one, a disability, pain, failure, a relationship breakdown, many things that are simply humans.

These are things as a society we cannot fix. We cannot prevent.

LaCasaBuenita · 15/03/2024 18:26

If the environment has no impact then why are the numbers of diagnoses rising so sharply and so quickly?

We know mental illness itself is not new, but the huge numbers of people who are diagnosed with a mental illness every year is an entirely new phenomenon.

We could argue this is due to greater awareness, but these people are unable to work. That hasn’t happened before.

XenoBitch · 15/03/2024 18:36

LaCasaBuenita · 15/03/2024 18:26

If the environment has no impact then why are the numbers of diagnoses rising so sharply and so quickly?

We know mental illness itself is not new, but the huge numbers of people who are diagnosed with a mental illness every year is an entirely new phenomenon.

We could argue this is due to greater awareness, but these people are unable to work. That hasn’t happened before.

I would hazard a guess that it is because NHS provision for MH is dire. Months long waiting lists for even basic CBT. Huge amounts of people that fall in the gap of being too ill for their GP and not ill enough for secondary MH support.

I have a friend who has been self harming to a level that is dangerous (she gets infections every time), and is struggling. MH team saw her, and said they had nothing to offer, and said to use a charity counselling service (which offers a maximum of 6 sessions, with a 6 month wait until you can be referred again). The waiting list for that is months long.

For me, I have been bounced back between my GP, PCLS and crisis teams so many tims, my head spins. I give up now. CMHT refuse to take me on, as I have apparently "done my share" of all they can offer. I rely on the charity sector now.

LaCasaBuenita · 15/03/2024 18:41

But this isn’t new and so can’t be the cause. The NHS has never provided much in the way of counselling services or mental health support.

LakieLady · 15/03/2024 19:43

Guavafish1 · 12/03/2024 06:43

Also who can and will work until state pension age of 68!

You'll find more people apply for disability then as you aquire more disease with age.

Me! Still working part-time at 68 and not planning to stop yet.

Mind you, I wouldn't be doing it if my job was in any way physically demanding, my joints are shot and I get tired a lot more easily when I do anything physical these days.

canttellyouwhereorwhatido · 15/03/2024 19:58

I am one of these 'not wanting to work' .. gang ..

30 years in public service .. shit pay .. (think hunting down the back of the sofa for bus fare to get them to school).. BUT ... the moment I could claim that pension I did .. even though they tried to bugger it up and will have to wait until TWO YEARS after I claimed it to be paid properly..

Do I feel guilt ..? Hell NO .. in the private sector I would have been paid 3x as much but believed in public service.. this is my reward..

LakieLady · 15/03/2024 20:06

TigerRag · 15/03/2024 07:53

You really think DWP are better? 70â„… who go to a PIP tribunal win.

I work in welfare rights. My team has a success rate of over 99% at PIP appeals.

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