Fed up with the current state we are in

[SanctusInDistress]

Am I right to be upset over the current state of things and that the future looks bleak?

nhs- don’t get me started

jobs - where on earth are jobs? Barely anything there and when there are they are looking for somebody who has done that exact job in an equal organisation.

bills - spiralling

food - at this rate we will be either back to the middle ages foraging for postage, or eating cheap nasty ultra processed stuff all of the time.

working conditions - there are two camps; the quiet quitters with chúpatz to get away with it, and the workhorses being worked to death.

brexit - I’ve yet to hear of a tangible benefit (apart from blue passports).

politics - everybody has run out of ideas. They don’t know what else to come up with.

poverty in work - spiralling

house prices (in SE where I live) - where are people finding the money to pay these prices?????

going out - impossible. Theatre tickets, cinema, meals out. It’s just become too expensive except for rare rare treats.

everything is at a standstill, waiting for this election so that something can happen again (or not) to jolt the economy for ordinary folks like us back into action.

am I just being unreasonable with being fed up?

The shit pay is at least minimum wage. Which loads and loads of people do earn. Makes you sound rather snobby tbh

I envy you so much!

Make Logans Run compulsory reading ?

They're actually made in Poland. The French company that got the contract moved it to one of their foreign subsidiaries as it's not really a prestige contract for them.

@Dobbyhorse where is this utopia 😂

lol

that's even better

Sorry can’t share that but it’s a popular tourist destination.😘

Some will be. I am. I think Brexit was a massive mistake and a poorly run campaign but I think what’s happened since, the negotiations and mismanagement during Covid is unforgivable. It’s possible to run an economy outside the EU but not the way they are going about it. I despise the anti immigration rhetoric as if home grown Brits are inherently superior or that you are somehow taking from the system as an immigrant. My DH and I both net contributors, not in receipt of a single benefit, nor have ever been. Many of my friends are exactly the same. I’m happy to work and pay taxes if I can see those taxes benefiting schools, hospitals, infrastructure not on stupid schemes like dodgy PPE procurement, failed inhumane policies like Rwanda and the cost of leaving the EU which amounts to an insane amount of money for zero tangible benefit.

Of course you need to control immigration but net immigration has increased. It’s not a skills based system, and any trade deals with countries like India for example with huge economies will entail compromises on immigration whereas we had access to a generally young, highly educated, very mobile workforce. Not saying that there aren’t hugely talented people in India or other countries but they are moving from families much further away and will want to bring families of course. It’s harder for them to go back whereas many Europeans just wanted to work for several years and then go back to their home countries.

Countries like Canada- another we want a deal with - are actively recruiting NHS workers into their healthcare system. And if we don’t make it attractive to stay we will lose the skilled people we need.

The reason we didn't have a pot to piss in was because there was a GLOBAL financial crisis, which was pretty much entirely caused by the Americans. Nothing to do with labour.

In 2010, when Labour left office, that year the NHS had the highest user approval rating EVER. I wonder where that approval rating is now...

we are not rejoining the EU

Why not? If you’re a first time voter at the beginning of your life you should be clamouring for it. I voted to remain in what was then the EEC in 1975. I was a little older than you so spent most of my adult life as an EU citizen. I’m incandescent at the harm Brexit has done young adults in particular. Why aren’t you?

Both my children are autistic. It's has come out of nowhere. I know several other families in the same position. I think in another decade someone will finally admit that some sort of chemical is causing it. I don't believe it's because we're now recognising the signs. The signs weren't there in any of our family members.

I agree. Literally every other person seems to have a child with autism , adhd etc. Even with better diagnosis, it just seems a phenomenal number and I think more research needs to be done.

You could buy a house on low wages as Blair took over. New Labour oversaw the stratospheric house price inflation. They might have been better than the Tories, but they weren't what the country really needed. It was still all right wing bollocks with a few crumbs thrown in to fool people. Was it better than today? Yes. But they're part responsible for where we are right now. It's taken a long time for this country to get where it is now, and both main parties as well as a little help from the Lib Dems are to blame.

We would have to take the Euro and I do not agree with this.

So you think losing all the freedoms and advantages of being in the EU is worth retaining the £? What’s the point when that £ is worth less every week? The Euro certainly wouldn’t be my hill to die on if I was 18 and contemplating spending the next 70 years in post Brexit misery. Thank God I’m not young any more.

Well, this was fun to read as a fairly recent immigrant, one who pays high taxes, and has never taken one penny from the government. I don't use the NHS because I can't get an appointment, haven't used the school system, will never go on benefits, and have been a net contributor throughout. Only as pp said, to see my taxes being pissed away on refugees being sent to Rwanda and other dodgy schemes. And then to have immigrants blamed for the mess the UK finds itself in. Nope, sorry, I wasn't responsible for Brexit.

As for why British people can't do the jobs that my DH and I do, it's because they don't have the skills. Our jobs were advertised No British people with equal qualifications or international expertise applied.

'shat on by tories, shovelled up by labour'

I also want to say that not all recent immigrants are care workers to "bathe your gran" and pick fruit.

Most recent immigrants I know are highly skilled professionals brought in on work visas, paying high taxes for the large percentage of British people who can't or won't work. You want immigrants out? British universities will collapse because they survive on foreign students. The City will collapse. The NHS will certainly collapse.

So much not making sense here. The first thing the Labour Government did in 1997 was deregulate the bank of England so they were independent and that is when house prices went silly. I bought my first property in 2001 for twice my then salary and when I sold it in 2004 it had doubled in value. Second thing they did was introduce student tuition fees so suddenly we were charging British kids thousands of pounds a year to be doctors , radiographers and midwives and then they lost control of the borders and we had uncontrolled immigration until 2010. Just tell me again how this is the fault of the Tories?

@2016MyLove who said GB would have to adopt the euro?

And why that would be such a bad thing anyway.

I agree with you.
but don’t worry! many people on here will continue to vote for the tories as they know what a woman is! as long as they give a definition they like nothing else matters - even though when things go to shit even more there will be threads on here complaining about their DCs schools and the NHS 🙄

Thank you for being here. You must be questioning your decision to come in the face of the xenophobia you’ve seen displayed here.

700,000 immigrants in 2023 , which are mainly young men who when they get there wright to stay will then be able to bring there wife children and any other dependent family.

Realistically do you think all these immigrants will earn enough not to need benefits and social housing.

They don't need to all earn enough not to need benefits and social housing. They just need to, as a whole, pay more in tax than they claim in benefits and social housing, to be a net benefit to the economy. Which every single analysis of the actual numbers concludes that they do.

Peoples' failure to understand this very basic fact of economics (and the Tories' cynicism in exploiting their ignorance rather than acknowledging the truth) is a large part of why our economy will continue on its merry way down the toilet. As Brexit continues to deliver no benefit whatsoever and things continue to get worse, it will obviously be because we're not isolationist ENOUGH. Sigh

@GreenYoshi12 I have to be honest- the trans issue is at the bottom of my list of issues I would vote on compared to the enormous list of other issues- yep I think it has to be kept in check and I'm not pro trans women in womens sport etc - but anyone voting for this shower of shit based purely on that - I don't get that- and if they don't like it- who has been in power for last 14 years to bring in controls or checks and balances ?? The Tory's can stoke the culture war on that all they want but it's the Toryswho have had the power to bring in checks and balances -It's not as if Labour were in that position

At the moment the criteria for joining the EU is adopting the Euro. Something the UK negotiated it's way out of back in 2001.

However it's low energy thinking to believe that everything in the world will stay exactly the same tomorrow as today. So it's entirely possible that if the UK were in a position to rejoin in 2045, that rule may be gone. Or changed. Or still up for some horse trading. Especially with a country that holds all the cards.