Fed up with the current state we are in

[SanctusInDistress]

Am I right to be upset over the current state of things and that the future looks bleak?

nhs- don’t get me started

jobs - where on earth are jobs? Barely anything there and when there are they are looking for somebody who has done that exact job in an equal organisation.

bills - spiralling

food - at this rate we will be either back to the middle ages foraging for postage, or eating cheap nasty ultra processed stuff all of the time.

working conditions - there are two camps; the quiet quitters with chúpatz to get away with it, and the workhorses being worked to death.

brexit - I’ve yet to hear of a tangible benefit (apart from blue passports).

politics - everybody has run out of ideas. They don’t know what else to come up with.

poverty in work - spiralling

house prices (in SE where I live) - where are people finding the money to pay these prices?????

going out - impossible. Theatre tickets, cinema, meals out. It’s just become too expensive except for rare rare treats.

everything is at a standstill, waiting for this election so that something can happen again (or not) to jolt the economy for ordinary folks like us back into action.

am I just being unreasonable with being fed up?

@BigMandsTattooPortfolio I think we are, what signs do you see?

The conservatives have decreased the deficit by 80% but you left wing nutters keep on bleating about services.

Is this a bot or does someone actually believe this? 😭

700,000 immigrants in 2023 , which are mainly young men who when they get there wright to stay will then be able to bring there wife children and any other dependent family.

Realistically do you think all these immigrants will earn enough not to need benefits and social housing .

So if you think it bad now the next decade will be a lot worst.

It’s someone who can’t read a simple bar chart.

@Nanalisa60 There were many more immigrants in 2023 - the figure you quote is net immigration allowing for migration.

Many of the immigrants who make up your figure come as students (who will leave within 5 years) or workers (workers who pay tax). Before Brexit EU workers were net contributors to our economy - but obviously those days are gone.

Are you confusing immigrants with irregular immigrants who come here in small boats? If so that is a much smaller number. If our system would deal more efficiently and effectively with those people they could get out into our labour market and start paying tax.

Repeat a lie often enough ...

😂 You take a wild guess. They’re accurate once in a while at least..

Do you really want care homes and Nurseries staffed by some bloke who arrived here on a dinghy. You have no idea of his name or his past, only what he tells you and lets be honest he isn't going to admit to murder, rape or sexual assault is he. Happy for them to bathe your Gran or change your baby's nappy? No, i wouldn't be either. The vast majority of those crossing the channel are of no use to us in the workplace. There are only so many raspberries that need picking.

Well, I am an immigrant. I arrived here with just a suitcase. I’ve lived here about 30 years and worked all of the time. No benefits. The amount of tax I’ve paid, and the amount I spend buying things in shops, I think I’ve benefitted the economy.

in fact, my British-born SIL, has been out of work for the past 18 years, has 3 children, all of them with severe health needs so she gets every benefit available. My taxes have helped pay her benefits, which I’m happy to, but please let’s not muddy the waters by saying it is immugration who are a drain on benefits. It’s often the reverse.

Yeah, well during the first lockdown I was stranded abroad in an EU country in the Mediterranean. I used to come here on holiday (second home) for several months a year and applied for and was granted residency under the Withdrawal Agreement Rules (pre 2020).

Having been unable to return to UK for 18 months, after Covid we decided to live here permanently and sold up in the UK. Apart from the weather, food and lifestyle we could see the UK in decline.

Here CoL is lower, taxation lower, we get free, prompt, high quality healthcare. No waiting lists! Fuel subsidies too. Our economy here is recovering from the pandemic and the EU has supported us in that recovery. Huge infrastructure projects are going ahead with EU contributions. Inflation and unemployment down. So ignore those who say other countries are suffering, they may have challenges but they’re not circling the drain like the UK is.

So, we made a smart move as it turned out. The UK is on the skids for all the reasons listed by the OP and more. It will take a generation to sort out, and then some. I feel like the person whose meeting at the WTC was cancelled on September 11th, the person who was bumped off Flight 370.

I pretty much have survival guilt everyday, tempered by fury. Fury that my adult children and extended family will never have this option because FoM no longer exists and the rules for residency here and other EU countries are complex and expensive. Fury that despite high academic achievements, their potential, their futures and their well-being are being squandered by public spending cuts, lack of opportunity and the outrageous cost of living in the UK.

So the UK hasn’t just fucked it up for its current citizens, it’s destroyed future alternatives for upcoming generations and those who want to leave. It’s dystopian. It’s a nightmare.

I despair for the UK. I really do.

Hello Nigel!

Bloody hell, someone needs to step away from the Daily Mail.

The proportion of people who 'arrive here on dinghies' is absolutely tiny, about 40,000. The vast majority of immigration is perfectly legal and a lot of it is coming from Hong Kong and /or Ukraine due to agreements with them.
the whole small boats thing is a ruse to rile up the gammons and distract from the almighty mess the country is in.

And British people can't do these jobs because......?

They don’t want to? You do realise economic inactivity is a huge problem right now?

The reality is that in London 3 out of 5 people bathing your gran right now are immigrants.

How would we be coping without them?

Exactly. I don't want to work especially but I do because I have to. It shouldn't be a choice.

There aren’t enough people of working-age in the uk. Our unemployment rate is one of the lowest in the world. The people who don’t work is 99% because they genuinely can’t. The government is trying to get people out of retirement into the workplace because they are that desperate. They are desperate for working-age people, but they can’t open up immigration because of the Daily Mail.

unfortunately no political party right now has the balls or charisma to say this.

Many people who don't work don't have to. They are students or of independent means e.g. private pension.

Because there have always been lower paid jobs that when society becomes richer people choose not to do. Throughout history there has been immigration because of this.

😂 I’m still waiting for anything I said to be disproven. You presented some words organised into sentences but that’s about it.

Blair did begin to dismantle the health care services in the nhs. Starting with GPs. Thatcher did outsource porters etc, but nothing to do with medical health care.

‘the Tory leader at the time would have done exactly the same’ - pure conjecture.

Not sure how you equate easing pressure on services with putting pressure on services. Sure more plebs (using plebs in a common people like we all are way) to do some jobs but the presence of millions more people def means more pressure on everything else. Foolish to think otherwise.

And British people can't do these jobs because......?

pay is shit most likely. I don’t do one of those jobs, do you?

I totally agree with you. I live in the SE too, close to London.
I rarely go out these days, it’s too expensive. Prices have skyrocketed since the pandemic.
I wish someone with let me know the benefit of Brexit, as I can’t think of anything. Roll on November.

Reading between the lines a lot of posters on this thread seem to be EU residents annoyed by Brexit or Brits living overseas annoyed by Brexit. Could that be clouding the issue and derailing the discussion? They are very angry so are lashing out, but we are not rejoining the EU. We need to discuss a future Labour government not rehash a referendum from 8 years ago. Time to move on.

how r the blue passports a benefit?
(a) they are made in France afaik
(b) the don't allow brits seamless travel in EU

my red EU passport expires next year, I will be very sad to replace it.