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To take the keys off the kids

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Member85426 · 04/03/2024 04:16

My kids often refuse to come out of the house when ex comes to collect them after school on Fridays. Its a very stressful situation. It’s a new routine for the kids to see dad who’s come to live in uk and wants to be involved. The judge said in the court room collection from school to have school gate time. I said it was a bad idea and would rather have done family mediation before and talked things like this with the kids and ex because the older two are teenagers and they don’t want to be collected from school. I was angry at not being listened to but the I thought I won’t have to deal with ex at all on his weekends so that’s not a bad thing for me.
the older ones refuse to be picked up in public by him and come home instead. When ex comes with everything ready to go they often won’t leave because they don’t really want to go and it’s stressful encouraging them out and can take 40 minutes. The kids won’t reply to his messages so they don’t expect him there’s no routine for them. He drops off the youngest with a relative and drives back for the other two. Once the kids go, they have an okay/ good time. They’re safe there etc so no safeguarding concerns. The kids say they don’t want to go but ex doesn’t believe me when I tell him - I’ve encouraged kids to tell people in school too rather than just me. I do my bit to get them out of the house it feels terrible when they don’t want to go and I have to say you need a relationship with dad it’s what the judge said etc. Ex says I don’t help enough he asked that I drop them off but I refused as he asked for the court order and if I change that he’ll expect me to bend other things and I just want to follow it. Ex says I’m being difficult for not dropping them at his (I think he is difficult for not doing mediation in the first place). The judge said he collects after school. I don’t want him coming to my door at all really I don’t go to his - I’ve said the kids will come out to you, go wait in the car. He doesn’t and this puts pressure on everyone to get out of the house and it’s not nice for me in my new fresh start house to have this stress of him peering through the door. I always wait at the top of the private road from my ex’s house if I ever collect and I like to keep a respectful boundary. He doesn’t respect mine at all.

next time it’s his collection, I’ve told ex i’m taking the keys off the kids so they can’t come in they don’t really need a weekend bag as they have things at his they can take a few extra items to school so they don’t need to come home. I am delaying coming home on Fridays after work so I won’t be there after school for a while. I’ll leave ex to sort a new neutral collection point with the kids. Is this unreasonable? I don’t want to be involved in this stress any more. I hate to be this unkind to the kids but if I don’t send the kids - he will take me back to court. I’ll tell them again to speak with school for support if they’re unhappy.

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AttaThat · 04/03/2024 04:23

Sorry I think that’s too harsh on the kids. You’re planning to lock them out of your house to avoid the 40 min palaver of getting them out? I get that it’s stressful but no, I don’t think that’s ok.

How new is this? It sounds like they need more time to get used to what’s happening.

How old are they? Forcing them to go isn’t going to be sustainable.

LutonBeds · 04/03/2024 04:23

How old are they? From what I understand the teens can’t be forced to go and would have their views respected in court.

SD1978 · 04/03/2024 04:33

You sound like you're u happy that at court they suggested fostering the situation. You say the kids are happy to go, but because they don't engage with dad they do t know is if he's coming- does he turn up every time at the time he's supposed to? They know when he's coming. I'm sorry, undertone here is you disagree and are happy to u day the table make this harder for your kids than it needs to be

AutumnCrow · 04/03/2024 04:35

Did they write letters of wishes to the court? Mine did. Even Ex's own barrister said that at 13 they 'will vote with their feet'.

swapcicles · 04/03/2024 04:42

Listen to your kids, if they are old enough then they can say they don't want to go and stay home.
There's a reason they don't want to be with him, listen to them.

Woodentu · 04/03/2024 05:57

Is there a neutral place like a coffee shop nearby that kids could go to to meet him? Have you talked to them about not wanting him in your house? If they are teenagers you all ought to be able to reach an acceptable compromise.

Woodentu · 04/03/2024 05:58

Failing that, you can't force them to go and he will have to take you back to court.

crumblingschools · 04/03/2024 06:01

How old are they?

Member85426 · 04/03/2024 07:06

I’ve suggested they go to the supermarket cafe but they’re embarrassed to be seen with him anywhere where other school people could be. There isn’t really anywhere else nearby. Honestly I hate the whole situation and I’m so disappointed with Cafcass and the courts - my kids have never had a voice. It’s a myth that the court listens to the children’s wishes. It’s totally cruel but my ex has all the support from my parents and siblings I’ve no family to stick up for the kids and no one believes me when I say they don’t want to go. That’s why I’ve asked them to go talk to school. 40 mins is the longest he’s waited - that time I went out of the house for a walk and made last child go to the car and as I was going on my walk kid came after me. I feel I have to send them. I was thinking, to say bye to them on Friday morning positively and tell them it will be okay and to meet their dad wherever they agree. I won’t be far away and they have phones to contact me. I think me being there makes it worse and if I’m out of the equation it might be easier. I’m scared not to send them because I don’t want to go to court again - he’s got loads of money lives in London gets top solicitors had 3 people with him in court paid for parents C2 application and their barrister and threatened to get private social worker on the children. He’s never looked after them - money talks i guess!

it is harsh but I just don’t want to have another Friday like that in my house. If they complain about me having the key back I won’t take it but I’ll still go out. If they don’t go to the new meeting point that’s their choice.

How do I get anyone to listen to the kids and take me seriously? I just don’t feel me and the children are heard. Ex refused to do MIAM and I’d been asking to do mediation for months before he came to the Uk. Court didn’t follow Cafcass recommendations to do mediation. Even when the court hearing started the judge hadn’t even read my position statement.

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RecycleMePlease · 04/03/2024 07:07

My line in the sand was I wouldn't ever make the kids go to their dads (he'd abandoned them for the best part of a year, after being barely present before that, so they weren't very interested anyway). I got that written into the agreement, that it was all only with the agreement of the children.

Having said that, when they wer refusing to go, I did do some gentle encouragement, bought DS1 a phone so he could contact me, made sure I answered it when he messaged so he felt safe, and when he tried an overnight, I immediately went and got him when he asked. It took over a year to get him to agree to even try, and now, 3 years later he's fine going for the day every other week.

The kids needed me to be supportive (whilst encouraging, but never forcing, and never nagging). They needed to feel safe, and find a routine that worked for them rather than having it imposed.

Teens is going to be hard though. They have independence. I don't think locking them out of the house is reasonable though. I don't think forcing them is reasonable - I think your ex needs to put in the work so they want to spend time with him.

Member85426 · 04/03/2024 07:15

RecycleMePlease · 04/03/2024 07:07

My line in the sand was I wouldn't ever make the kids go to their dads (he'd abandoned them for the best part of a year, after being barely present before that, so they weren't very interested anyway). I got that written into the agreement, that it was all only with the agreement of the children.

Having said that, when they wer refusing to go, I did do some gentle encouragement, bought DS1 a phone so he could contact me, made sure I answered it when he messaged so he felt safe, and when he tried an overnight, I immediately went and got him when he asked. It took over a year to get him to agree to even try, and now, 3 years later he's fine going for the day every other week.

The kids needed me to be supportive (whilst encouraging, but never forcing, and never nagging). They needed to feel safe, and find a routine that worked for them rather than having it imposed.

Teens is going to be hard though. They have independence. I don't think locking them out of the house is reasonable though. I don't think forcing them is reasonable - I think your ex needs to put in the work so they want to spend time with him.

Mine don’t have that. They’ve got EOW and half their school holidays by court order and no instruction to build it up or follow the kids lead.

we got a first court order in 2020 (some school holidays and weekends when it could be agreed) just before lockdown so he didn’t come and the kids didn’t spend time. he comes to live here in 2023 I refuse his requests to see them because they don’t want to go, he files c100 and now kids have got to go.

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Potentialmadcatlady · 04/03/2024 07:20

I was told by my barrister and solicitor that I had to make sure kids went to contact. They didn’t want too. I followed the ‘rules’ and made them. They are now young adults and guess what they say was the worst thing about their Dad….yep you guessed it ‘being made to go to stay/see him when they didn’t want too’
Let’s just say If I was in that position again I would not be making them go.

RecycleMePlease · 04/03/2024 07:20

You have to 'make the children available' I believe? You're not required to deliver them on a platter, or abuse them to (and how could you, they're teenagers, they just won't come home)

Honestly, if he's going to cause problems/take you back to court, I don't see what you can do - trying to force them isn't going to make the situation any better, it just removes your support from them.

Be careful with your words, document your efforts, but there's nothing more you can do. How long until they age out?

Lifebeganat50 · 04/03/2024 07:22

How old are the kids? Why are they embarrassed to be seen with their dad?

This sounds so stressful for all of you😢

Member85426 · 04/03/2024 07:33

One reason the kids don’t want to see him is identity. They identify as British but they are mixed ethnic origin. I learned that language and did trips there celebrated the traditions - ex did nothing and still won’t teach them anything about his culture.

Thank you all some good advice just feel so wound up after nearly a year of this. So I only have to make them available? I think I will phone the solicitor too today and make an appointment. It’s not fair on the children or me to live like this. That’s what I did before the C100 - then I allowed him to come inside my house and he asked them to go out they said no! He still filed that C100 and forced them to go - so he doesn’t come in my house ever again.

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liveforsummer · 04/03/2024 07:34

I'd let them make the choice and let him take you back onto court where you can explain you are doing all you can. Make sure the dc keep all their message threads. They are absolutely old enough now to be sorting this themselves. You are making them available which is your part of the deal done. The fact the younger dc is going is testament to that

Member85426 · 04/03/2024 07:34

AutumnCrow · 04/03/2024 04:35

Did they write letters of wishes to the court? Mine did. Even Ex's own barrister said that at 13 they 'will vote with their feet'.

No they didn’t get asked to

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Lifebeganat50 · 04/03/2024 07:39

Member85426 · 04/03/2024 07:34

No they didn’t get asked to

How old are they?

CurlewKate · 04/03/2024 07:40

Why are they embarrassed?

Member85426 · 04/03/2024 07:42

SD1978 · 04/03/2024 04:33

You sound like you're u happy that at court they suggested fostering the situation. You say the kids are happy to go, but because they don't engage with dad they do t know is if he's coming- does he turn up every time at the time he's supposed to? They know when he's coming. I'm sorry, undertone here is you disagree and are happy to u day the table make this harder for your kids than it needs to be

They’re mostly happy once there. They would rather plan their own weekends. There’s no communication between them every suggestion I make for him to improve this falls on deaf ears. I feel it needs mediation for anything to get better. I can’t email or message to sort anything out. The kids won’t reply to his messages and they don’t want to talk to me about it. That’s why I’ve posted on here because I don’t know what to do.
i always wanted to follow kids lead and even if he had to come up from London and only take them for a meal as long as the kids are comfortable until they were ready to go overnight etc. my family then interfered so now they are there when dad is and it’s all a mess.
i feel terrible for sending them. Can’t win! Send them make them unhappy, don’t send them likely go to court.

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Beautiful3 · 04/03/2024 07:42

Personally I wouldn't take their keys off them. If it's a hassle after school, then it's his hassle and not yours. Maybe after a stressful month, he'll just give up.

Mumof2teens79 · 04/03/2024 07:48

If they won't leave the house they aren't going to meet him at neutral location are they?

I think saying you have to go because of the judge is unfair. Ideally you would be encouraging a positive relationship with them, and although it's not always possible, if you could be on good enough terms with ex to allow him into the house and to pick up from his door.
Boundaries seem important to you, and I respect that if there is a good reason but for the sake of the kids it would be better if you could be cordial with him and demonstrate that to the kids.

If he was able to come in and wait while they get ready that would be much better situation than home waiting in the car or on the doorstep.

StainlessSeal · 04/03/2024 07:53

How old? It makes a massive difference

Wishitsnows · 04/03/2024 08:02

How old are they? I think you need to apply back to court stating you have encouraged them to go but they don’t want to. It sounds bizarre the court ordered this when he hadn’t even been in the country, returned and there wasn’t even a slow build up to this contact. If they are teenagers now the court must take what they want into consideration. Don’t force them to go.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 04/03/2024 08:03

In one way, you're being difficult. Not from the school, not from the house, won't drop off. It all looks a bit obstructive.

Be clear about what you will do, make sure it's reasonable and that it's not silly or unfair on the kids (removing keys!).

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