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To take the keys off the kids

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Member85426 · 04/03/2024 04:16

My kids often refuse to come out of the house when ex comes to collect them after school on Fridays. Its a very stressful situation. It’s a new routine for the kids to see dad who’s come to live in uk and wants to be involved. The judge said in the court room collection from school to have school gate time. I said it was a bad idea and would rather have done family mediation before and talked things like this with the kids and ex because the older two are teenagers and they don’t want to be collected from school. I was angry at not being listened to but the I thought I won’t have to deal with ex at all on his weekends so that’s not a bad thing for me.
the older ones refuse to be picked up in public by him and come home instead. When ex comes with everything ready to go they often won’t leave because they don’t really want to go and it’s stressful encouraging them out and can take 40 minutes. The kids won’t reply to his messages so they don’t expect him there’s no routine for them. He drops off the youngest with a relative and drives back for the other two. Once the kids go, they have an okay/ good time. They’re safe there etc so no safeguarding concerns. The kids say they don’t want to go but ex doesn’t believe me when I tell him - I’ve encouraged kids to tell people in school too rather than just me. I do my bit to get them out of the house it feels terrible when they don’t want to go and I have to say you need a relationship with dad it’s what the judge said etc. Ex says I don’t help enough he asked that I drop them off but I refused as he asked for the court order and if I change that he’ll expect me to bend other things and I just want to follow it. Ex says I’m being difficult for not dropping them at his (I think he is difficult for not doing mediation in the first place). The judge said he collects after school. I don’t want him coming to my door at all really I don’t go to his - I’ve said the kids will come out to you, go wait in the car. He doesn’t and this puts pressure on everyone to get out of the house and it’s not nice for me in my new fresh start house to have this stress of him peering through the door. I always wait at the top of the private road from my ex’s house if I ever collect and I like to keep a respectful boundary. He doesn’t respect mine at all.

next time it’s his collection, I’ve told ex i’m taking the keys off the kids so they can’t come in they don’t really need a weekend bag as they have things at his they can take a few extra items to school so they don’t need to come home. I am delaying coming home on Fridays after work so I won’t be there after school for a while. I’ll leave ex to sort a new neutral collection point with the kids. Is this unreasonable? I don’t want to be involved in this stress any more. I hate to be this unkind to the kids but if I don’t send the kids - he will take me back to court. I’ll tell them again to speak with school for support if they’re unhappy.

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Stressfordays · 04/03/2024 08:13

Family courts are such a mess. It all comes down to who has the most money at the end of the day. Me personally would sit down with my teens and explain the situation properly. I'd say the courts have said this, this is the implications of you refuse to go. These are our options. Let them take some control. Speak to a solicitor about your legal options too.

EarringsandLipstick · 04/03/2024 08:13

I have to say you need a relationship with dad it’s what the judge said etc.

You don't have to say this!

What age are they?

You can make them available. You can discuss the options with them, including the court order and its implications. You can spend time working out the issue and see if they've any solution (as you say they are happy when they are there).

However, if they don't want to go, don't make them, your proposal to take their keys & force them is really awful

(And I am sympathetic to the challenges you've faced in court. I'm in Ireland but have also experienced how little the courts listen to children).

Lifebeganat50 · 04/03/2024 08:26

StainlessSeal · 04/03/2024 07:53

How old? It makes a massive difference

This seems to be a state secret, numerous people have asked, because it makes a difference, but OP hasn’t disclosed

Woodentu · 04/03/2024 09:44

I live in an area with a high number of burglaries. (Bear with me, there is a point to this). We have mortice locks on all the internal doors except the kitchen. This means that we can lock up all or some of the rooms when we go out or on holiday. DC have their own room keys and their are spares in a safe place.
Could you lock up most of the rooms, so that if he comes in your house he can only access the kitchen? Would that be easier than not letting the DC in the house?

Ofcourseshecan · 04/03/2024 09:54

Sorry I have no advice to offer. But I am so sick of children being treated as a bit of property that the deadbeat dad has a right to use. This happened to some of my relatives 50 years ago, and others 30 years ago. You’d think things might have improved since then.

Sending sympathy to you and your children, OP.

Catza · 04/03/2024 09:56

I am massively alarmed by the fact that your kids (of unclear age) are embarrassed to be seen in public with their dad who appears to be from an ethnic minority group... Something really fishy is going on here.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 04/03/2024 10:28

How old are they OP?

CurlewKate · 04/03/2024 10:34

@Catza "I am massively alarmed by the fact that your kids (of unclear age) are embarrassed to be seen in public with their dad who appears to be from an ethnic minority group... Something really fishy is going on here."

I agree.

mumda · 04/03/2024 11:22

Be as solid as you can without crumbling under the pressure.
Don't take their keys away.

If they don't want to go, you can not make them.
Be prepared for them needing to give the court a letter saying why they're not wanting to go - ask them to write it down before their next visitation.

Good luck. This sounds like hell for you all.

Member85426 · 04/03/2024 11:37

Thanks - there’s nothing bad about them being mixed race it’s just they feel different from their friends and being teenagers they don’t want to be different. It will take them time to adjust. They’ve not been in touch with that side of their family and it’s a massive shock. I feel I did most of exposing them to that part when they were little while dad did nothing - why was I teaching them his native language when he didn’t bother because “what’s the point they are babies they don’t understand!” There’s been recent festivities in that culture which I helped the children mark - not Dad. The cultures not the problem it’s that the children haven’t been exposed to it enough to be comfortable with it.

i have had years of trying to talk to dad and just want to do mediation. He will do anything to avoid talking to me. He likes to just contact the solicitors to contact so I have put in boundaries. Which is extreme and not what I want to do. At the end of the day there’s no helpful communication with dad and that’s why it’s hurting the kids. His culture is one where you just respect elders so not willing/ know how to create bonds like in UK families.

I have appointment with solicitor and will talk to school before he comes again.

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Zanatdy · 04/03/2024 11:40

They are too old to be forced to go surely

newmum0604 · 04/03/2024 11:54

Are your kids racist? Or?

Lavender14 · 04/03/2024 12:03

This is really hard op. I think going back to your solicitor is important, and perhaps considering a change in solicitor if you don't feel you're being adequately represented.

If your kids are over 12 they should be seen as gillick competent and should be allowed to make their own decision re: contact. That being said, sometimes contact is trial and error and going back to court might give you a chance to say- this isn't working for the kids and needs reviewed.

I wouldn't be locking your kids out of their home though. Definitely not.

TinkerTiger · 04/03/2024 12:31

Zanatdy · 04/03/2024 11:40

They are too old to be forced to go surely

Has OP said how old they are? I may have missed it but have read all posts and didn't see a mention of their age, despite being asked

Member85426 · 04/03/2024 12:38

They’re in years 7 and 9. The younger one not technically a teen but not a small child either.

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