Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Food orders for work related events are to be vegan and vegetarian only

945 replies

ValerieVomit · 01/03/2024 12:58

We all received an email at work to say that when we order catering in future for work related events we can only order vegetarian and vegan food. The management team has imposed this. It's to reduce our carbon footprint. I don't think that this means there is to be no carnivorous food available for the rest of the organisation but our department won't allow us to order any.

Reasonable or not?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
19
AliTheMinx · 03/03/2024 21:36

This makes me furious!!! Why should someone else's agenda be forced on others? What happened to choice? By all means have vegetarian and vegan options too, but meat and fish should absolutely be on offer... The world has gone mad!

cremebrulait · 03/03/2024 21:46

Cel77 · 02/03/2024 21:13

Just wanted to point out that raising animals for their meat uses much more water than growing plants.

Lol
Quinoa is flown by plane and shipped by boats. Consumption around the world is starving poor people in South America.

Almonds mostly come from California and need a lot lf water and the state has to limit water use frquently.

The lazy simpleton “meat uses more water” argument is so ridiculously simplistic in thought it is mind boggling.

Meat consumption is NOT bad. Stupid health fads and marketing are. Sooo many fat unhealthy vegans. Its like the days peiole ran around proclaiming low fat and fake sugar were better. Lol. 😂

TempleOfBloom · 03/03/2024 22:14

cremebrulait · 03/03/2024 21:46

Lol
Quinoa is flown by plane and shipped by boats. Consumption around the world is starving poor people in South America.

Almonds mostly come from California and need a lot lf water and the state has to limit water use frquently.

The lazy simpleton “meat uses more water” argument is so ridiculously simplistic in thought it is mind boggling.

Meat consumption is NOT bad. Stupid health fads and marketing are. Sooo many fat unhealthy vegans. Its like the days peiole ran around proclaiming low fat and fake sugar were better. Lol. 😂

Quinoa is successfully grown in the UK
https://britishquinoa.co.uk/about-quinoa/growing-quinoa/#:~:text=We%20are%20the%20UK's%20largest,UK%20to%20help%20meet%20demand.

My friend grows it in the North West

Growing Quinoa - The British Quinoa Company

https://britishquinoa.co.uk/about-quinoa/growing-quinoa/#:~:text=We%20are%20the%20UK's%20largest,UK%20to%20help%20meet%20demand.

Cel77 · 03/03/2024 22:23

cremebrulait · 03/03/2024 21:46

Lol
Quinoa is flown by plane and shipped by boats. Consumption around the world is starving poor people in South America.

Almonds mostly come from California and need a lot lf water and the state has to limit water use frquently.

The lazy simpleton “meat uses more water” argument is so ridiculously simplistic in thought it is mind boggling.

Meat consumption is NOT bad. Stupid health fads and marketing are. Sooo many fat unhealthy vegans. Its like the days peiole ran around proclaiming low fat and fake sugar were better. Lol. 😂

Thank God there's so many other foods which are not quinoa or almonds 😏! I find potatoes lovely and very filling in all shapes and forms and they're a staple of our diet. And all the beans! Cheap too. And I'm not a vegetarian, or a vegan.

Trufflump · 03/03/2024 22:25

cremebrulait · 03/03/2024 21:46

Lol
Quinoa is flown by plane and shipped by boats. Consumption around the world is starving poor people in South America.

Almonds mostly come from California and need a lot lf water and the state has to limit water use frquently.

The lazy simpleton “meat uses more water” argument is so ridiculously simplistic in thought it is mind boggling.

Meat consumption is NOT bad. Stupid health fads and marketing are. Sooo many fat unhealthy vegans. Its like the days peiole ran around proclaiming low fat and fake sugar were better. Lol. 😂

God this is such bollocks. Do you hear yourself ?

almonds grow in Spain/Italy /Greece. Why would we export them from America instead of our neighbours??

RampantIvy · 03/03/2024 22:25

AliTheMinx · 03/03/2024 21:36

This makes me furious!!! Why should someone else's agenda be forced on others? What happened to choice? By all means have vegetarian and vegan options too, but meat and fish should absolutely be on offer... The world has gone mad!

Why does it bother you so much?

Can you really not eat a meal without any meat or fish? The world has indeed gone mad if people cannot even manage one meal without meat or fish.

It isn't as if you are paying for it is it?

NoraBattysCurlers · 03/03/2024 22:38

cremebrulait · 03/03/2024 21:46

Lol
Quinoa is flown by plane and shipped by boats. Consumption around the world is starving poor people in South America.

Almonds mostly come from California and need a lot lf water and the state has to limit water use frquently.

The lazy simpleton “meat uses more water” argument is so ridiculously simplistic in thought it is mind boggling.

Meat consumption is NOT bad. Stupid health fads and marketing are. Sooo many fat unhealthy vegans. Its like the days peiole ran around proclaiming low fat and fake sugar were better. Lol. 😂

cremebrulait (sic), when it come to 'lazy simpleton argument' as you like to phrase it, you certainly are the last word.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 03/03/2024 22:40

AliTheMinx · 03/03/2024 21:36

This makes me furious!!! Why should someone else's agenda be forced on others? What happened to choice? By all means have vegetarian and vegan options too, but meat and fish should absolutely be on offer... The world has gone mad!

The world has gone mad because a meal might not have meat or fish in it?!
Good grief, are you always so dramatic?! 😁

Themaghag · 03/03/2024 22:45

I have to say that almost every corporate catered event I’ve ever attended in the UK - and there have been a lot of them - has served the usual beige buffet and I don’t suppose the veggie/vegan version will be any better! I’ll continue to take my own food thanks!

Geotheanum · 04/03/2024 00:08

I’m amazed by the number of positive responses on here
As a veggie since 1980 the changes in attitude to having meatless meals by meat eaters is amazing.

shearwater2 · 04/03/2024 04:31

Trufflump · 03/03/2024 22:25

God this is such bollocks. Do you hear yourself ?

almonds grow in Spain/Italy /Greece. Why would we export them from America instead of our neighbours??

almonds grow in Spain/Italy /Greece. Why would we export them from America instead of our neighbours??

Cost? We can grow apples in the UK and still export them from thousands of miles away.

chattycathy73 · 04/03/2024 06:42

We have this in our workplace too. The rationale being that vegetarians and those with religious dietary requirements sometimes found that if they don't join the food queue early, meat eaters have often helped themselves to veggie food meaning that there's none left by the time they get to the table! Having vegetarian food means everyone eats

Trufflump · 04/03/2024 06:44

shearwater2 · 04/03/2024 04:31

almonds grow in Spain/Italy /Greece. Why would we export them from America instead of our neighbours??

Cost? We can grow apples in the UK and still export them from thousands of miles away.

well Happy to report that almonds from the EU are more affordable than almonds from California. Who would have thought it??

RampantIvy · 04/03/2024 07:21

chattycathy73 · 04/03/2024 06:42

We have this in our workplace too. The rationale being that vegetarians and those with religious dietary requirements sometimes found that if they don't join the food queue early, meat eaters have often helped themselves to veggie food meaning that there's none left by the time they get to the table! Having vegetarian food means everyone eats

This is so very true. DD is vegetarian and has to be first in the queue at buffets to make sue she gets something to eat.

Haydenn · 04/03/2024 09:03

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Zyq · 04/03/2024 09:12

AliTheMinx · 03/03/2024 21:36

This makes me furious!!! Why should someone else's agenda be forced on others? What happened to choice? By all means have vegetarian and vegan options too, but meat and fish should absolutely be on offer... The world has gone mad!

This is bonkers. How on earth can offering a free meal amount to forcing an agenda on anyone? Even the most rabid promoter of vegetarianism doesn't imagine they will convert meat eaters through one meal. It's hardly going to hurt meat eaters to eat the occasional quiche or cheese sandwich, and if they're that desperate for meat there is nothing to stop them taking in their own.

ValerieVomit · 04/03/2024 09:13

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Not at all. If you have read the thread (and it is so bloody long I wouldn't blame you if you haven't) I have stated elsewhere that I have no interest in this, I don't care either way. Many colleagues though have, and I was hoping to gauge opinions.

OP posts:
cremebrulait · 04/03/2024 09:22

Especially for: @NoraBattysCurlers @Trufflump @Cel77

It's worth noting that around 80% of almonds worldwide are produced in California, with the UK primarily importing from California, the Netherlands, and India. While almonds can indeed come from various regions like Spain, Italy, and even Algeria, the bulk of those reaching the UK originate in California.

For those interested, there's an informative read on the intricate sustainability factors surrounding superfoods like quinoa available here: https://environbuzz.com/the-sustainability-of-superfoods-the-case-of-quinoa/).

Despite the first crop of quinoa being grown in the UK back in 2006, a significant portion of the quinoa consumed in the UK is still imported from Peru, the Netherlands, and India.

Regarding the employer's decision to limit lunch orders exclusively to vegan or vegetarian options, it is restrictive and overly simplistic. While the intention might be to promote healthier choices, it's essential to recognise that not all vegan or vegetarian options are inherently nutritious. Many processed vegan foods contain additives like stabilisers, preservatives, and added sugars, which may not align with everyone's dietary preferences or health goals.

Imposing strict dietary guidelines can be akin to dictating what individuals should eat, reminiscent of mandating Halal or Kosher diets. Rather than focusing solely on vegan or vegetarian options, a more holistic approach could involve encouraging choices aligned with sustainability, supporting local businesses, prioritising locally sourced ingredients, and minimising packaging waste by opting for eco-friendly delivery methods like walking or biking.

Additionally, promoting gut-friendly diets that prioritise wholesome, minimally processed foods, regardless of their animal-sourced or plant-based origin, can contribute to overall health and productivity.

While advocating for reducing meat consumption has its merits, it's essential to respect cultural dietary practices and acknowledge that dietary needs vary among individuals. For instance, communities like the Inuit rely on meat as a significant dietary staple due to their unique environmental and cultural contexts.

Championing veganism as a panacea for environmental issues overlooks the broader impact of lifestyle choices beyond dietary preferences. Addressing issues like reducing fossil fuel usage and minimising waste production can have a more substantial environmental footprint than solely focusing on dietary changes.

Furthermore, scrutinising meat consumption without considering the socioeconomic implications for farmers and related industries neglects the complexity of transitioning away from meat production. It's essential to approach these discussions with nuance and considerate of the broader implications for all stakeholders involved.

In summary, while encouraging sustainable dietary choices is commendable, it's crucial to adopt a more inclusive and nuanced approach that respects individual preferences, cultural diversity, and broader environmental considerations beyond dietary habits.

I hope my view is more clear. And aside from being part First Nations - I also have a rare condition which led to the advice I've heeded since I was 17 years old (thus for 32 years): eat organic because so much damage is done to soil with fertilisers and peticides and do not consume pharmaceuticals unless absolutely necessary. In addition to being terrible for your bodies they also cause a lot of environmental damage with their creation, run-off into water systems, packaging etc. Eat sustainable crops because even grains, vegetables and fruits can be over-farmed and strip soils of nutrients, no matter what we eat packaging comes from huge industry which causes a lot of pollution and waste, eat local because it supports the economy and reduces waste.

So while your assumption that I am opposed to veganism etc and you chose write unkind comments - I just don't subscribe to the lazy views of those who do not look at the wider impact. Ta!

ExpressCheckout · 04/03/2024 09:24

Vegetarian for a long, long time. If people want to eat meat, then fine, just please try to choose animals that have been treated well during their lives.

This has been discussed before here, but as a vegetarian I've become a bit tired of the vegan 'fashion' which has led to the disappearance of veggie food.

Full-time vegan = fine. But I've no time for 'vegans' who only do it for a month, then dive straight back into the bacon sandwiches the following month 🙄

OpieMo · 04/03/2024 09:25

I don't see how anyone can vote on this. YABU could suggest you're being unreasonable (but you didn't provide your stance on it) or that the company are being unreasonable. So I didn't vote.

But this sounds great to me. Everyone can eat vegan and vegetarian food, it covers all bases (other than coeliac which I hope is taken into consideration), it's not just for vegans and vegetarians. It's also automatically fine for Muslims, Jewish people, and other diets.

Viviennemary · 04/03/2024 09:25

It's cheeky. Imposing their beliefs on other people. I'd be annoyed.

Brawcolli · 04/03/2024 09:28

Biased as a vegan, obviously, but I can’t imagine getting upset about a choice that reduces harm and cruelty to animals! Some people are so silly.

x2boys · 04/03/2024 09:39

I love meat and have no intention of ever becoming vegetarian or vegan but its one meal free at that I would happily attend and enjoy what's on offer.

MassageForLife · 04/03/2024 09:44

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Op must be a bloody fast typist with multiple devices to have achieved that....

justteanbiscuits · 04/03/2024 09:59

If you have an allergy, then surely that will be covered the same as it would for any meal. You will have a separate selection like you would with any other allergy.

This discussion isn't about allergies. I had a vegan sandwich for lunch yesterday and it was bloody lush. No soya, no fake meat or chicken. It had shock vegetables in it!

Swipe left for the next trending thread