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To finally lose my temper and tell him to F off?!

63 replies

cathusa · 26/02/2024 03:03

Thankfully, this 'relationship' didn't last long. I am child-free and 33.

I stupidly made an exception for a single Dad because we clicked on so many other aspects. I'm 33 (female), so I suppose a lot of my 'pool' consists of a lot of parents. Certainly if they are older - which he is. He is 45.

This guy told me his co-parenting with his ex was cordial and in a good place. Total BS. He told me his kids didn't 'drop in' on the days he didn't have them, despite them being somewhat close by. Total BS.

Every date was interrupted with incessant calls. The mother would want to dump the kids onto him at a moment's notice, so nights in were quickly shut down - and because I had yet to formally meet them, I would have to leave the house before they entered. There was no formal arrangement regarding when the kids would be with the Mom/Dad, despite him saying otherwise. Plus, if he wasn't at home, he'd be at the Mom's house playing happy families. He even still thought he could take family (domestic and Intl) trips together - and they apparently still wanted to have that 'family setup'.

It was beyond insulting. Worst of all, I kept doubting myself and feeling like the worst person in the world for wanting a dinner where the phone didn't ring throughout - and so to 'keep the peace' - I would say nothing. But when I did speak up (and even that was kindly), I felt like a horrible person and like I was being 'needy' or 'competing' for attention.

But the truth is, because I'm such an independent person by nature, I let many things slide as I'm more than ok with my own company. But in the end, I was compromising too much. When I ended things, I was very polite and he thanked me for being understanding and said many lovely things etc... there was no drama within the break up and no shouting or anything like that. No blowup.

Of course, children should be a priority. I totally understand that, but he was trying to have this happy family setup in one home and thinking he could have this relationship with me on the side - where I couldn't even get my basic needs met. I hated feeling like I was 'asking for scraps of attention' - as that's so far from who I am as a person.

He admitted that he thought he could have both - and that there were no boundaries between him and his ex - and admitted that she still very much wanted this setup to continue too, more than he apparently did (but that could be BS - who knows). I suspect he just wanted to be the 'fun' and 'available' Dad - which I sort of get. They were still very much in each others' pockets. But in that case, there's sadly no room for another relationship - which is why I (respectfully and kindly) walked away.

Looking back now, I don't even know if his divorce had been finalized. He did admit his situation was 'difficult' for a CF person, but to be totally blunt, seeing him jump whenever his ex said 'jump' - just made me lose all respect for him. But I also understand that he's being present for his children, which is obviously no bad thing.

A few days later, he came back trying to plead his 'case' and list all the 'advantages' and how his kids don't demand a lot of attention and will be 'out the house soon'.

Hearing that didn't make me feel good as there shouldn't be a countdown as to when they 'leave'. Also, parenting is a job for life. So his 'case pleading' fell on deaf ears. I shut it down.

He's since come back again and suggested a break/vacation together. Whilst I appreciate the thought/efforts - I also feel like I'm not being heard - as what would that solve?! We are simply not compatible. Full stop.

I think because I ended things so amicably and kindly (which he would also agree with) - he still feels like he can have some swaying power. But now I am just beyond angry. I handled a situation well because I wanted what was best for their family - and yes, also for myself, but I feel like he's now asking me to put all of my needs aside for him.

Am I being unreasonable here in feeling as angry as I do? Once again, I feel like a terrible uncompromising person.

OP posts:
ArchetypalBusyMum · 26/02/2024 07:21

You've been reasonable op.
He's trying to keep his foot in the door with you despite you saying it isn't working for you so you just need to be really clear you're done as he's not listening.
Of course his kids will always come first and good dad's don't turn being dad on and off, but his set up is pretty messy and it would appear they haven't really got their post split sorted properly so that things are predictable and clear all round.
Any new partner he finds will struggle to find a role in his life with what you describe.
You're well out of it.

Toenailz · 26/02/2024 07:58

Find yourself someone child free, OP. Absolutely no need to put yourself through this.

I also agree it's not an on-off switch, but this is bizarre/OTT. The problem is it starts to get extremely tedious for the child-free person in the relationship if boundaries aren't set.

I dare say him being a father isn't the issue here, it's her.

cathusa · 26/02/2024 08:03

iamjustwinginglife · 26/02/2024 05:14

Maybe what he told you about the set up was right when he told you but the ex has decided to sabotage his new relationship by constantly calling him while he's with you?

@iamjustwinginglife True. A possibility indeed, but ultimately it doesn't change anything as that's still equally unappealing as I'm not looking for drama. To his credit, he fully acknowledged it was 'messy' with their setup - but only after I had ended things.

OP posts:
SignoraVolpe · 26/02/2024 08:09

Doubt he was going to pay for an extra bedroom when holidaying with an ‘ex.’

He thought because your younger and no dc he could present his dubious status as good co parenting. Personally I don’t think him and his ex have finished properly.

Block him.

cathusa · 26/02/2024 08:15

Toenailz · 26/02/2024 07:58

Find yourself someone child free, OP. Absolutely no need to put yourself through this.

I also agree it's not an on-off switch, but this is bizarre/OTT. The problem is it starts to get extremely tedious for the child-free person in the relationship if boundaries aren't set.

I dare say him being a father isn't the issue here, it's her.

@Toenailz I agree wholeheartedly. Even with kids, it was more just about boundaries. It become very apparent - very quickly - that the setup was a totally enmeshed one... which was in no way similar to what he said it was.

In many ways, I was weirdly pleased - because it made me happy that the children can have lots of quality time with each parent.

But it got old fast. The phone would ring incessantly every single time we were together - for no valid reason. But because the kid/ex was calling for a simple chat, I felt even worse for feeling bad about it.

All too often, I'd be sitting alone in a restaurant while he'd be outside talking on the phone for 20+ mins. Initially, I was concerned for him as I thought something was seriously wrong (as in an emergency) but no.

Even when the kids would randomly show up (obviously having been driven over), I would have to duck out before they arrived. I would have a 5/10 minute warning as the parents live close to each other. It was insane.

...and those are just a few examples.

I let it all slide for too long as I'm very conflict averse - and even when I (respectfully) ended things, he acknowledged the situation was messy, thanked me for being understanding etc... and said some very nice things etc... I was happy to leave quietly and nicely.

But this constant backtracking is now irritating me - and I feel like I'm being cornered. But as many other posters have said; it might be time to just be firm (again) and/or block.

I think it's great that he's a present father - especially in a world where there are so many awful parents/neglected children. I still wish him well, but from afar.

OP posts:
OrionStridesIn · 26/02/2024 08:16

You're a couple of years younger than me OP and I wouldn't date a man in his mid 40s!

Seriously, you're young, find someone younger, with or without kids most importantly with a far less messy set up!

Mothership4two · 26/02/2024 08:52

Having read your latest update, you were wise to move on OP. He should have been shutting her down not indulging in long non-essential phone calls when he was on a date with you. If sounds more and more like she was doing it deliberately.

ArchetypalBusyMum · 26/02/2024 08:56

Well said op (latest update).

dimllaishebiaith · 26/02/2024 09:16

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 26/02/2024 05:04

It sounds to me like you made a situation that’s nothing to do with you all about you. Maybe find someone without any ties who will always make YOU the star of the show.

Edited

Of course, because a women cant expect any aspect of a relationship to be about her if there is the opportunity for her to subjugate her needs to others

There is nothing wrong in the OP realising that her needs cannot be met in this relationship. There is nothing wrong in the ex putting the needs of his children first.

The issue is that he cannot seem to understand that his putting the children needs first to this extent means that he is not in the best position to be dating. Instead he, expects the OP to put up with having her needs ignored.

Alongside that he caused the problem in the first place by misrepresenting his situation to the OP and not giving her chance to make an informed decision at the start.

FasterthanaButteredOtter · 26/02/2024 09:26

Agree with @Oblomov24 and @dimllaishebiaith

He's trying to have his cake and eat it and you deserve more and better than this.

Thank you NEXT!

JonVoightBaddyWhoGrowls · 26/02/2024 09:45

Personally, I think he's still married. And if you were at his place, it's his little shag pad that his wife and DC know nothing about.

Dodged a bullet there.

Goinggreymammy · 26/02/2024 10:01

You were completely right. I once went on a coffee date with a man who took 3 phone calls from children/ex partner during our date. I read his newspaper while he was on the phone. Needless to say there was no second date (I said we weren't compatible).

Nicebloomers · 26/02/2024 10:08

He’s probably realised that this situation would be even more complicated with a woman who also has a shared custody situation. Imagine the chaos. He could have made adjustments to accommodate a new partner but he didn’t. He wanted his cake and to eat it.

You gave it a go, it didn’t work out and he needs to respect your decision to break up. I’d block him tbh.

ArchetypalBusyMum · 26/02/2024 10:15

👌@dimllaishebiaith

Haydenn · 26/02/2024 10:15

I steer well clear of men with kids on OLD. I hate the disclaimers of “my kids are my priority” well that goes without saying, but too often it is just a catch all statement that they use to cover that they are flaky or unavailable.

nc42day · 26/02/2024 10:24

I dont know how long you were together but I don't know if you have a need to be angry about it. You tried it, it didn't work, it's over. He's given it another crack now and again, you just need to say no, and mean it.

Next. But not one with kids.

pinkyredrose · 26/02/2024 10:25

Did he every tell his ex no and that he had plans? Surely he can't be happy dancing to her tune.

dimllaishebiaith · 26/02/2024 10:41

nc42day · 26/02/2024 10:24

I dont know how long you were together but I don't know if you have a need to be angry about it. You tried it, it didn't work, it's over. He's given it another crack now and again, you just need to say no, and mean it.

Next. But not one with kids.

The anger, I would imagine, comes from fact that she has shut it down twice already and hes back a third time

And despite coming back multiple times the ex still doesnt appear to have any intention of adjusting things to meet the OPs needs, instead he expects her to put them to one side until the children leave

Why shouldnt she be allowed to feel angry that not only is he repeatedly coming back to her when she has decisively made her postion clear twice already, but he does so with no intention whatsoever of meeting her needs, just expecting her to once again meet his with nothing in return

Its okay for women to feel anger.

zingally · 26/02/2024 10:52

"Dear X,
I have received your repeated messages, and I'm asking you to stop. While I believe that you didn't deliberately mislead me as to your personal circumstances with your kids, it has become quite clear that you are not currently able/willing to formalise your custody arrangements in a way that makes me feel secure moving forwards.
And while you are perfectly entitled to have whatever arrangements you like with your children and ex partner, unfortunately I don't feel that it currently fits with my wants and desires from a relationship.
I wish you only the very best for the future, you're a lovely man. But unfortunately, I believe that we are not compatible, and I have no further wish to be in a relationship with you, moving forwards.
Best wishes,
OP"

Then block his number and socials.

nc42day · 26/02/2024 10:54

It's absolutely ok for women to feel anger, but it's a pretty destructive emotion to be carrying around. Depends on your perspective, if having to repeat myself was making me angry I'd block his number and protect my energy.

He wasn't for you. He wishes he was. Nobody died. You now know that you don't want to be in a relationship with anyone with children, move forward with that knowledge and wish him well.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 26/02/2024 10:57

There are plenty of available men in your age range without children, so choose one.

Pheasantsmate · 26/02/2024 11:00

He is feeling entitled because he will have warned you the kids are a priority and so feels that you should be putting up with this shit. The situation with the ex is totally batshit. And however much of a priority the kids are, leaving you for 20 minutes just for a chat is plain rude. If the parents were together and he were at the pub with a mate and one of the kids or the wife phoned he wouldn’t do this. What an absolute prick.

Stick to your gut next time and give men with kids the swerve.

Rubbishconfession · 26/02/2024 11:11

I agree just ignore and block. I suspect if you try to challenge him on why you should be his bit on the side he will reframe it as you being jealous of his kids. So ignore and block and don’t give him any tips that will make him hide this better with the next woman.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 26/02/2024 11:13

Maybe you were too kind in your rejection and he thinks you really like him but for the interruptions?
I always advise saying something like it isn’t working and giving no explanation other than if really pushed something about the feeling not being there, heart not in it, it’s not you it’s me.
Anyway you did the right thing now ignore him or block him. It’s the kindest thing

dimllaishebiaith · 26/02/2024 11:36

nc42day · 26/02/2024 10:54

It's absolutely ok for women to feel anger, but it's a pretty destructive emotion to be carrying around. Depends on your perspective, if having to repeat myself was making me angry I'd block his number and protect my energy.

He wasn't for you. He wishes he was. Nobody died. You now know that you don't want to be in a relationship with anyone with children, move forward with that knowledge and wish him well.

Edited

Bottling up anger is not good yes, but the OP is here talking it through, working out her feelings etc. Seems pretty healthy to me.

Telling women they shouldnt need to feel anger on the other hand is more likely to lead to them bottling it up and turning it into something unhealthy

I agree that blocking him is a good way forward

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