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To ask what NHS frontline staff think of Breathtaking?

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CloudyYellow · 20/02/2024 23:06

I have watched all 3 episodes. I worked on the frontline during Covid. I found it very triggering and my fury is back.

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Jumpingthruhoops · 21/02/2024 16:56

According to some people, covid didnt exist or it was just a cold. This is something i cant get my head around. I went every day to work because its my job and i love my job but i will never get over the fact that some people think we were lying about how serious it was.

But this is the thing. Ordinary people didn't just decide on the spot that covid 'wasn't serious' - it was the behaviours/actions of various members of our govt that told us loudly and clearly that it 'wasn't serious'. It's about context.

For example, I'm not angry that the govt had parties, per se. I'm angry that they had parties WHILST telling us minions that if we did the same we might 'kill granny'. Their partying told us they didn't really believe this to be the case.

Then you have that vile creature Matt Hancock caught with his tongue down the throat of a woman who was not his wife.
I couldn't give a flying fuck about his 'affair' but in that moment he'd told us he was not remotely worried about the serious covid risks that came with snogging one woman then going home and (presumably) snogging your wife!

So, you see, people didn't just make up in their heads that covid 'wasn't serious', they were repeatedly being told/shown by the actions of our govt that it wasn't.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 21/02/2024 16:59

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JenniferBooth · 21/02/2024 17:00

Wishthiswasntmypost · 21/02/2024 07:58

Although this is about the chaos within the NHS I too would like to acknowledge all the other people continuing to face the public with fear, poor PPE, and losing colleagues. Care homes in particular in our area we're unsupported.

However, what happened was different occupations started to fight for recognition and in doing so denigrate the experiences of others. We were all let down. All of us.

That aggressive messaging to stay home and protect the NHS was completely fucked up and wrongheaded - if those patients had presented 2-3 days earlier they might well have lived.

This. This. This. Its still happening today. So much money spent telling people to avoid seeing their GP or going to ED. Because we haven't funded those services enough to cope not because of misuse. Blaming GPs or ED staff ...whilst many are leaving because of their trauma and the service is even more struggling. The govt is responsible. Don't be directed to blame anyone other than them

Yes the patient blaming and the competitive "not going to A&E" attitude is rife on this very board!

Jumpingthruhoops · 21/02/2024 17:03

SnakesAndArrows · 21/02/2024 16:43

Rachel Clarke is a palliative care doctor and a writer. She has had two careers for some time. She wrote a diary while she was working on wards through COVID. Are you saying that Drs shouldn’t have kept diaries and had a little bit of a life during 2020? Seriously?

Some (a very small number of) nurses used their down time to make TikTok videos. Nurses are allowed to do whatever they like outside their rostered hours to keep themselves sane.

Whoever was filming those empty hospitals was not in A&E, not in the respiratory wards, not in ICU, not in theatres that had been converted into ICUs. Routine clinics were cancelled to free up staff to go to the hot zones, and some clinics were held remotely. The public was not allowed inside the hospitals, there was no visiting. So the corridors were obviously empty.

Do you really think that the TV programme is not an accurate representation of what it was like?

You know nothing, you’re spreading lies, and you make yourself look very foolish to the people on this thread who know how it was.

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Not spreading anything. Merely asking questions, something that became forbidden during Covid. You've answered them, so thank you. Though I'm not sure the personal attack at the end was necessary.

prescribingmum · 21/02/2024 17:03

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Couldnt have put it better myself

girlfriend44 · 21/02/2024 17:07

CloudyYellow · 20/02/2024 23:06

I have watched all 3 episodes. I worked on the frontline during Covid. I found it very triggering and my fury is back.

Exactly why it's not a good idea to watch. If you had watched a musical or a comedy etc, you would not be thinking this way?

Supernova23 · 21/02/2024 17:08

Jumpingthruhoops · 21/02/2024 16:07

Whilst what you've said here is harsh, I can totally understand why you've said it.

In an NHS that was overwhelmed, where did that GP find the time to write a book?
Where did overworked nurses find the time to rehearse group TikTok dances?
Why were there live streams on social media of 'overrun' hospitals looking more like like ghost towns?

All perfectly legitimate questions that people would like the answers to...

I can answer those questions.

Not everyone was working in red (Covid) zones. For example, you need to be airway/mechanical ventilation trained to work in intensive care; it’s not an environment any old nurse can walk into. It’s also not something you can learn in a matter of days or even weeks; it’s a process that takes years.

So, that means we had a cohort of staff that could not have worked in the red zones. Some people also could not for medical reasons.

Believe it or not, hospitals were probably used more appropriately during the pandemic. People weren’t mixing so we had far less idiots doing stupid things. If most people are at home, they aren’t out getting drunk, taking drugs. People weren’t driving much so fewer car accidents etc. Fewer work related accidents as people were WFH. Remember that people also present to A&E for all sorts of minor ailments that could be treated at home with rest/OTC meds; they generally stayed away. All of this meant that SOME hospital areas were “quieter” than normal. The wards were all full with Covid patients.

The general public do not have access to staff only areas or the wards, and certainly had no access to wards during Covid. So, I can assure you these “empty” areas were a myth.

As for TikTok dances, I personally didn’t have the time or inclination to do that. I don’t recall any of my colleagues doing that either. However, even if they did, I’m not sure why that would be a problem? We are entitled to breaks and what my colleagues chose to do on their own break would be of no concern to me. What you don’t realise is that when you work in a dark environment in very dark times, it’s sometimes the stupid things that give you a pick me up. These actions were not hurting anyone so I don’t understand why some are so fixated on this.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 21/02/2024 17:13

They're fixated on it because it's an easy way to promote their misleading narrative. It's not genuine.

The posters upthread have had nearly 4 years to find out the answers to their supposedly genuine questions. The topic has been covered in multiple articles, and on multiple threads/posts on multiple social media platforms, including MN. There is only one plausible explanation for why they keep asking, and it's not because they're confused.

Jumpingthruhoops · 21/02/2024 17:13

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Except it's not though. They are just questions. I know a few online content creators and group TikTok dances don't take a few minutes of 'downtime' to learn. This doesn't tally with staff being 'rushed off their feet', so people will question it.

JenniferBooth · 21/02/2024 17:16

WimbyAce · 21/02/2024 09:58

I think this is why it's important programmes like this are made as actually I don't think there is any gratitude shown. The whole thing has been swept under the carpet. Of course people want to move on and don't want to keep going over this horrific time but all of those medical staff that lost lives to care for us we don't hear about. There is no recognition. NHS staff are still having to fight tooth and nail for their measly pay rises, it's disgusting. If the government didn't let the NHS down at the time then I have no doubt they have since.

Its the same with key workers. Supermarket workers care workers delivery drivers People who made sure others got what they needed during the lockdowns. Posters on here making derogatory comments about social housing tenants whenever there is a social housing thread dont seem able to connect the dots. Either deliberately or through ignorance. Where the fuck do they think people doing these low income jobs live.

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tedgran · 21/02/2024 17:22

DHs daughter is a consultant in intensive care, I remember her ringing him in tears quite early on and telling him that so many people were dying. I don't think she'll watch this, too many bad memories.

ismu · 21/02/2024 17:34

I've come back to this thread and all the usual suspects are out in force gaslighting the people who actually remember how horrible it was. For what ever reason. Anyone who wants to read more of this nonsense should have a look at what Michael Rosen has had to endure on Twitter/X today. Arseholes accusing him of being a medic injecting people with poison. His replies are classic. "unfortunately, I was unable to carry out those procedures as I was in a coma"

SnakesAndArrows · 21/02/2024 17:57

Jumpingthruhoops · 21/02/2024 17:03

Not spreading anything. Merely asking questions, something that became forbidden during Covid. You've answered them, so thank you. Though I'm not sure the personal attack at the end was necessary.

Just asking questions. Yes, of course.

BrendaBrown · 21/02/2024 17:59

Not all hospitals are acute A&E or ITU departments. I feel like this is a weird thing to explain but has anyone ever heard of a community hospital? You might have one near you where all the outpatients get seen. It often has a blood testing department. It might have a little shop in it that sells newspapers. It was these types of hospitals that were ‘empty’ when all outpatient services were cancelled or on very restricted patients coming in for urgent blood tests. I remember going into my local community hospital and it being a ghost town but it couldn’t be used as an ITU or A&E as that’s not what it was designed for!

BlindurErBóklausMaður · 21/02/2024 18:33

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Janiie · 21/02/2024 18:41

It was a global problem. Italy which had a state of the art healthcare system was overwhelmed. Poor patients ventilated in corridors. Ditto ths US. Everyone in every country was sadly denied access to hospitals to visit relatives.

Yes it was a devastating time but let's not pretend it was the Government's fault. Every country struggled to cope to get ppe, to get tests.

I've only watched the first 2 but I do hope they don't continue to focus on failings rather than acknowledge it was global disaster on a massive scale.

Cuppateafather · 21/02/2024 18:42

@Jumpingthruhoops I'm just asking questions obviously, but what were you doing during covid?

I'm just asking questions, but if you were on tiktok did that mean you didn't work 24 hours a day 7 days a week for years on end?

I'm obviously just asking questions but you clearly don't have any hobbies or interests outside of work, how would you have time if you are working?

Thanks for explaining in advance. Really appreciate it

Jumpingthruhoops · 21/02/2024 18:49

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So don't enter into it then. I didn't ask you to reply.

However, to answer your question: 'Do you honestly think there was a mass conspiracy to lie about this?'
It's not a conspiracy - the govt DID lie. Multiple times. Why? To ensure mass compliance of lockdowns, masks and, later, jabs. You must know that, surely?

Redmat · 21/02/2024 19:01

We can never make it up to those who worked through that hell.
We need to insist somehow that their pay rise is paid in full now.

Gassylady · 21/02/2024 19:02

Haven't even thought about watching it. Far too close to home for me

Jumpingthruhoops · 21/02/2024 19:06

Cuppateafather · 21/02/2024 18:42

@Jumpingthruhoops I'm just asking questions obviously, but what were you doing during covid?

I'm just asking questions, but if you were on tiktok did that mean you didn't work 24 hours a day 7 days a week for years on end?

I'm obviously just asking questions but you clearly don't have any hobbies or interests outside of work, how would you have time if you are working?

Thanks for explaining in advance. Really appreciate it

Setting aside the condescending of your post, I'm more than happy to answer your questions.

What was I doing? I was working from home. Officially, 10-7 but as I was at home I'd tend to maybe keep working until about 9.

Once I logged off, I'd look on social media (not TikTok) for a bit, watch TV, have dinner then go to bed. Like most people I imagine. Couldn't do any hobbies as we were in lockdown. But I certainly didn't work 24 hours. No one did. Not even NHS staff.

If I did work for an NHS hospital, though, I can tell you that the last thing I'd want to do after (or indeed during?) an exhausting 12+hr shift, is hang around the hospital to learn a TikTok dance!

Hope that answers your MANY questions.

Someonescatmum · 21/02/2024 19:07

Reading the stories on this thread about peoples suffering is bad enough - not sure I have the stomach to watch the programme.

My thoughts are with you all and thank you to healthcare workers in particular.

WhoaJayShettybambalam · 21/02/2024 19:08

I wouldn’t watch it even if you paid me. Reading the replies here has made me angry and upset yet again. For colleagues, our families but mostly our patients. It went against everything that made me go into nursing. In fact I wouldn’t call it nursing.

Daffodildilys · 21/02/2024 19:20

@BrendaBrown - snap. I came out of retirement and worked in a vaccination centre. We did everything we could to ensure there was not one vaccine wasted.

I had to buy my own scrubs to wear as the only uniforms available were xxxl and I’m only 4ft 10.

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