Even more cyclists now breaking the law

[DistingusedSocialCommentator]

Most drivers and pedestrians will be aware of this as many have seen or been victims of a cycle rider.

Watching Talktv this morning there was a lady who had lost her mother due to an e-scooter rider on the pavement. The show had a lawyer on talking about what I agree with, IE cyclists are very hard to identify if they get away from an accident.

E-scooters we all know are against the law unless provided for by your local council in central London. Several times over the years, me and the family have had close calls with them on pavements and parks as they zoom down, you cant hear them and they often dress in all black clothing.

Push bike riders are travelling faster and faster as many more have those battery packs on them

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph We are all aware how some push bike riders have ignored the rules for years, EG jump red lights, ignore pedestrians on crossings, cause accidents and walk of or rise off and now, much more able to break the speed limits off 20mph with almost 100% impunity and some that at red lights get o the pavement and cross a red light that way or some just ride on pavements

For the record, note, Its some cyclists not all but we have all seen them more so as going to work, or dropping off children at schools the speed of some of these riders

The Talktv debate also talked about those who kill people while riding a push bike/scooter, I think they said the maximum prison sentence was two years (I may be wrong) but the laws needed vast improvements.

This had been talked about a lot before but nothing happened.

AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket (This would in my judgment make many more riders more responsible for their actions and our roads/pavements safer for all)

The police need to be more proactive on e-scooter riders. However, as cyclists are almost impossible to identify, my proposal as above will aid the police and hopefully, modify the dangerous behaviours of those cyclists that are now regularly breaking the law, EG, travelling at more than the speed allowed, jumping red lights, putting pedestrians at risk on crossings and pavements.

I see no difference.

If your child was to bolt out into the road (children can be unpredictable, I don't care how well you think that you have drilled the green cross code into them), they are far more likely to survive if the traffic is doing 20mph instead of 30mph. 30mph was an arbitary figure set nearly 100 years ago, the evidence all points to 20mph being considerably safer. https://www.roadwise.co.uk/using-the-road/speeding/the-chance-of-a-pedestrian-surviving/

30kph (18.6mph) limits are very common in Europe. Where pedestrians might mix with traffic (residential streets for example) limits are even lower, often 20kph (12.4mph).

My DD and a few other younger family members would have been excited to get their driving licenses at 3 years old. 😂

In my DDs case when a random old man saw her at 2 on her balance bike and said "He needs pedals" it would have been my cue to apply for it.

There as I don't know how those who didn't have a balance bike first but just jumped on a sibling's/friend's bike and managed to ride it would have known when to apply for one.

(You see how batshit this idea is.)

I agree as long as they are fined if they ride outside them where available

I agree provided car drivers are fined for not using park & ride sites where available. These are provided at great expense yet motorists insist on driving into city centres.
And while we’re at it, can we fine car drivers who park on pavements and grass verges when car parks are available?

@DistingusedSocialCommentator It’s not illegal not to use cycle lanes and in many cases it’s better not to as they end abruptly, are in a terrible state, only as wide as your handlebars so actually encouraging close passing. One near me ends on a blind turn so when I came off the lane I almost went under the wheels of a van. The driver who thankfully had his wits about him and I both had quite the shock and I’ve never used that lane since, Those will be some of the reasons cyclists don’t use them and the law is an acknowledgment of this terrible state of affairs so are you proposing to fine people for not breaking the law?

or are you advocating a full and comprehensive fit for purpose segregated cycle infrastructure that cyclists are obliged to use? Great. Then you won’t mind giving up quite a bit of road space to that.

Lydiapoet, if there were advanced traffic lights for cyclists to move off before the cars, you wouldn't have that problem

I was clearly taking about more cycle lanes and then the enforcement.

I'm more than happy to give up some road as you put it as long as some of these clowns have a remote chance of being caught by the making it mandatory for them to have reg number, insurance, hi-vis - the lights and belll are already mandatory but as you know most don't have a light or a bell. They will also need to pay some road tax for taking up extra road space in dedicated lanes where available.

The B cyclist that clipped our car wing mirror - we've had a couple of quests from on-site repair people - about 170 to 200 quid. If the clown had a reg number, most likely it would have been a failure to stop and a fine, points o their licence and us claiming on their insurance or he/she coughing up the money - what a parasite.

@DistingusedSocialCommentator road tax!! lol. How are roads paid for?

Clue- it’s not road tax which hasn’t existed since the 30s.

You pay VEH which is calculated based on how polluting your vehicle is - cause you’re costing the taxpayer money to treat respiratory disease.

And your vehicle, particularly a heavy Range Rover damages the road surface in a way bikes just don’t.

Sure I’ll pay road tax based on how I use the roads. Guess what - I’m getting money back. Cause I already pay for roads out of my general tax. As does every tax payer.

https://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/who-pays-road-tax/

Also if we’re all on the lanes, why do we need the bells?

and regarding the cyclist that you say clipped your mirror, of course that’s not good. I can honestly say I’ve never clipped a mirror as it would hurt me or maybe damage my bike. Luckily most drivers leave me space to filter to get to a safe position at junctions (I want to be ahead of anyone turning left as most likely to be killed by a car turning left, and funnily many people turning left don’t use signals).

So if you were that close to the kerb then you weren’t positioned correctly or your car is too big for the carriageway,

Indeed, never mind working out if your vehicle is ULEZ compliant or not, every car entering Zone 3 should be charged £180. Even the electric ones.

Assuming of course that you actually managed to get his number. 90% of hit and run drivers are never traced.

The Road Fund was abolished in 1937. The fee you pay annually is a charge for polluting our towns - electric vehicles and low-emission petrol vehicles don't pay.

Stop being deliberately obtuse as you are making yourself foolish as you damn well know what I meant

I'm standing by my previous post.

people like you are easily fooled and want almost everyone to suffer. You conveniently forgot NHS staff using cars, carers using cars and people of uses taxis/cabs - you really do want to hit the most vulnerable, low paid etc

You are implying or stating cyclists don’t pay for roads They do. You are the one being silly not I.

stand by it all you want. You’re still wrong

Well now, the NHS wants to decrease its use of vehicles as they estimate that they, including staff travel contribute to 36.000 deaths a year. The lowest paid NHS staff are likely to use bikes as can’t afford parking. Bikes take up less space so more staff travelling this way would leave parking space for patients. So safer cycling infrastructure would actually save the NHS money and lives.

heres a report https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/net-zero-travel-and-transport-strategy/

you damn well know what I meant

Yes we know what you meant🙄. You’re under the misguided impression that “road tax” is paid for anything other than emissions, which is a pretty uninformed opinion in this day and age. And besides, what damage do cyclists cause to the roads or the environment? Absolutely zero compared to your 2 ton plus, smog emitting monstrosity.

Oh and a bell isn’t mandatory fyi.

Did the daily heil offer to run this thread as a sub par bottom column article if you filled it up with your rants? I can see it now… “militant mumsnet law- breaking anarchist cyclists refuse to wear number plate high vis!”

Come on op, another 10 pages, you can do it! 🍿

NTFT but speed limits don’t apply to cyclists. HTH.

Is that why car parks, staff car parks are overflowing at hospitals because they use "bikes" A very serious and loud ROFL at you.

because they don’t do enough yet. But they are planning to. Do keep up.

Do yuor research first and then try harder, a lot, lot harder. TBH, I believe you are just trying to be funny as anyone who has been to a hospital can see patients cars queuing up for a long, long time to get a parking space as most of the parking is designated for staff cars.

TBH, I find you entertaining. 😂

You should get out on a bike @DistingusedSocialCommentator

It would do wonders for your fitness, mental health, and all round attitude.

Great point OP! Let's get the people who don't have to use their cars off the road and on to bikes, so people who have no choice like the NHS staff using cars, carers using cars and disabled people can use the roads more quickly and effectively to bring real benefit to society! Everyone else on their bikes with the odd taxi when needed.

Less pollution, fewer car deaths, NHS and carers getting where they need to be faster...winners all round!

Hey... we can link it to registration numbers! If your car reg isn't linked to an allowed use, a fine and off the road for you.

You are so right, these registration numbers are a great way to cut down on selfish, dangerous and anti social behaviour!!

"Do your research..."

Pity you don't, you ve never in 30 pages been able to provide any cost benefit analysis for your ridiculous and quite frankly, stupid "ideas"

But we all know why, there isn't any that backs up what you want.... then again, i'm not sure you even know why your posting now, certainly questionable whether you re acting in good faith, given your last few posts.

Op is just on a wind up. No ones this dim.

😂 🤡