Even more cyclists now breaking the law

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Most drivers and pedestrians will be aware of this as many have seen or been victims of a cycle rider.

Watching Talktv this morning there was a lady who had lost her mother due to an e-scooter rider on the pavement. The show had a lawyer on talking about what I agree with, IE cyclists are very hard to identify if they get away from an accident.

E-scooters we all know are against the law unless provided for by your local council in central London. Several times over the years, me and the family have had close calls with them on pavements and parks as they zoom down, you cant hear them and they often dress in all black clothing.

Push bike riders are travelling faster and faster as many more have those battery packs on them

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph We are all aware how some push bike riders have ignored the rules for years, EG jump red lights, ignore pedestrians on crossings, cause accidents and walk of or rise off and now, much more able to break the speed limits off 20mph with almost 100% impunity and some that at red lights get o the pavement and cross a red light that way or some just ride on pavements

For the record, note, Its some cyclists not all but we have all seen them more so as going to work, or dropping off children at schools the speed of some of these riders

The Talktv debate also talked about those who kill people while riding a push bike/scooter, I think they said the maximum prison sentence was two years (I may be wrong) but the laws needed vast improvements.

This had been talked about a lot before but nothing happened.

AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket (This would in my judgment make many more riders more responsible for their actions and our roads/pavements safer for all)

The police need to be more proactive on e-scooter riders. However, as cyclists are almost impossible to identify, my proposal as above will aid the police and hopefully, modify the dangerous behaviours of those cyclists that are now regularly breaking the law, EG, travelling at more than the speed allowed, jumping red lights, putting pedestrians at risk on crossings and pavements.

I and other people have explained numerous times why cyclist registration is a stupid idea.

If you are too fucking lazy to read those explanations, that's your problem.

Once people start swearing like you have - just shows you fear easily identifiable numbers for cycle riders that will massively cut down breaches of the law as stated in my previous posts.

The insults you posted won't stop me and millions of others who are fed up with riders breaking the law and getting away with it every time and at times leaving injured pedestrians behind.

I'll let you have the last word

Ok hen.

Didn't you let someone else have the last word?

Incredible

Which part of having clear, visible ID on their hi-vis jacket or tabard that is easily identifiable when walking in public was you unable to comprehend?

NI numbers are only 2 charcters longer than car number plates but if this is too long to easily identify EG whe a pedestrian mugs someone, stabs someone, grafittis something, runs over the road against red pedestrian lights, or waks out wthout looking and causes an accident or near miss, walks in the cycle lane where they are not supposed to be, drops litter or lets their dog foul the pavement, then obviously we can fall back to your brilliant idea of a bike registration scheme and extend it to pedestrians as well.

After all, literally every disadvantage you dismissed applies to peds as well, and literally every benefit you claim applies to peds as well, with the added bonus that the hundreds of pedestrians killed by drivers will be super easy to idenify!

Winner all round surely? Really looking forward to seeing you out there setting a great example!

And thanks so much for the inspiration, would never have come up with it if you hadn't shown the way with your cyclist registration idea! The way you ignore all the expense and practical concerns, utterly reject any concept of proportionate risk mitigation or cost/benefit analysis and completely avoid engaging with any reasonable issues that might derail your vision of sticking it to those pesky cyclists is truly awe inspiring.

You wouldn't know a fact if it wore a number plate.

You can't deny that the number of people killed or maimed by motor vehicles far exceeds the vanishingly small number by bicycles.

The insults you posted won't stop me and millions of others who are fed up with riders breaking the law and getting away with it every time and at times leaving injured pedestrians behind.

What about the millions of us fed up with near-death experiences from people who refuse to drive safely? They get away with breaking the law all the time. Even with numberplates.

Guess what, cycling is the future, motoring is the past. Get used to it, you will slowly be cut out of urban centres. It'll be better for everyone's health and safety.

Laws relating to seat belts and mobile phone use in cars is due to the related high death toll. How does registering cyclists save any lives?

Two other people, if I recall.

So this idea involves registering every bicycle in the country. Having registered keeper document that needs transfering when selling a bicycle. Providing a hi-viz tabard that the rider needs to wear (rider can no longer wear a backpack). If a misdemeanour is reported a letter is sent to the registered keeper who needs to identify who was riding. More people will just drive instead. Sounds a winner.

Still missing the point I made by a long long way, you obviously don't understand that incidents are made up of multiple factors. You are obsessively focusing on the direct impact, akin to blaming bullets for murders rather than who pulled the trigger.

Your like a blind man walking down the motorway, causing cars to pile up and blaming motorists for all the deaths 😂

Rightly so, thousands of drivers fined for breaking the 20mph speed limit in London

How about many cyclists who get away with almost everything?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cars-speeding-fine-ticket-charges-sadiq-khan-20mph-b1141247.html

Southdweller, odd emoji to use when talking about death

Still droning on op?

What did your MP say when you wrote to them with your astounding proposition?

Oh don’t tell me…you didn’t write to them, and instead prefer ranty nonsense going round endlessly in circles on a parenting forum? Bit lazy and slightly deranged of you wouldn’t you say?

Try perhaps writing to reform party candidate, although even they would I expect to see the flaws in your argument and kind of do this expression 😬 at your letter. And they probably hate cyclists almost as much as you do.

Im not sure what you hope to achieve by endlessly banging on about hi vis id for everyone on a bike- it’ll never happen and you know it.

I’ll let you have the last word

Are you suggesting that you believe that more than half of those pedestrian deaths attributed to cars were somehow the fault of a cyclist?

If anyone does have a clue what 'point' Southdweller thinks she's making could they please enlighten the rest of us?

Yep, all those pesky cyclists who secretly cause poor helpless motorists to run over pedestrians.

@Southdweller please can you link to a study that backs your argument re cyclists being an indirect cause of pedestrian deaths by cars?

Thank you for highlighting the real dangers on our streets

This shows what the authorities should be focusing on... Dangerous motorists ignoring the law, speeding in their 1.5 ton metal boxes, killing & maiming 1000s of people each year.

On another thread, a mum has been advised by the majority NOT to go out running with her 4yo as there are too many speeding cars and they could both be killed.

The motor vehicle is controlling our lives, we need tougher laws to control this lawless group of car drivers.... and hold them account for their murderous behaviours.

This ^
Get over it OP.
You’ll be riding a bike yourself in no time 😁

Cyclists don't get away with breaking the speed limit, because it doesn't apply to them. Not forgetting that the vast, vast majority of cyclists won't even know what speed they're going because cycles don't generally have speedometers. So only the more serious, competitive type of cyclist will know their speed. Or people like me that record all their activity, but I'm a plodder, the thought of doing 20mph on a cycle scares the hell out of me, doesn't give me enough time to react to the crazy drivers that cut me up or simply open a door without looking

I literally posted stats that demonstrated cyclist don’t get away with everything from
just one police force but you’re clearly free to seek the statistics of other police forces yourself. But you won’t. Cause it doesn’t suit your narrative. You are bigoted against people who choose a non polluting form of transport, who are no more likely to break the law than others and who even when they do are less likely to hurt or kill others. Why is that such a problem for you?

Why are you so shy about the bet?
You've posted here since, so how about the bet you initiated?

Ohters bang on about" other countries not doing this or too expensive etc". What have you all got against being easily identifiable when riding a bike if you are all riding within the law?

Why are you so much against cyclists being easily identified?
Are you not able to comprehend the fact that when riders are easily identified the many that break the law almost daily, most of them will then realise the games up and they can't ride through red lights, crossings when people are crossing and or on pavements where not aloud with almost 100% impunity

What is it that you riders fear about my proposals as per my OP?

I'd like to see the police stopping pavement parking.

OMG, OP drives a sports car and a Chelsea tractor?

And then claims to care about road safety?