To think the NMC holding a hearing to decide whether Lucy Letby should be struck off the nursing register is ridiculous

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I mean, how is this a good use of public money?

This!!

Yeah and it'll get thrown out like the first one. So an NMC hearing is gonna be the last thing on her mind. NMC should take unilateral action and spend members' subs on more important things like better pay and working conditions.

Yeah and it'll get thrown out like the first one

Hopefully ...

In the meantime I wonder what's being done about the management who ignored what were said to be obvious signs - or is this going to be just another one where they're transferred to a different job hoping it just goes away?

I am not going to defend her. I am defending due process. Because actually she can sue. Guilty prisoners have sued before now and won. There is a process that must be followed in any circumstance, and that must be followed. You gave an example of the honours system. It's no different. There is a hearing of the Forfeiture Committee and even then the monarch must endorse their recommendation. Due process, no matter how conclusive an outcome may appear, should never be a charade; and it should be the same for everyone. We don't live in Russia, Iran or Iraq.

And yes she can lodge an appeal (a) if she can prove grounds, and (b) if new evidence came to light. However unlikely it is that she may be innocent, Andrew Malkinson and Stefan Kisko, to name but two people, were guilty, and it was also "common sense" and "logic" that said so. As with Lucy Letby there was no categorically clear evidence of guilt. In their cases it was because they were not guilty. I know that this isn't the debate here, but it is why I am utterly opposed to the death penalty. We can be wrong, no matter how "obvious" something seems.

I'm a Nurse. I pay them £120 a year to be in the register so I can work. So where did you get the idea it's public money?

Due process needs to be followed
Imagine if the same thoughts were said about the Post Office masters back in the day as they were "obviously" guilty ? When we now know that was totally wrong

I probably sound overly persnickety here but you’re paid by public money (for the very valuable job you do, in no way am I suggesting you don’t earn it!)

I am sure there are things you would rather buy with the £120. It might even pay for your parking at the hospital (it makes me very annoyed you have to pay to work.) This is NOT a good use of your very hard earned money. I have absolute respect for you all

I probably sound overly persnickety here but you’re paid by public money

And once it enters her pocket it becomes her money, not public money. If I buy wine, and I work for the Council, I'm now buying alcohol with 'public funds? Of course not.

Due process is VERY important. If you decide to throw out policy and procedure in one case, you're saying it's dispensable. It's not. In any case.

It is due process. An important part of the justice process. When due process is not followed it opens decisions up to challenge. That is not desirable. We do not get to decide what does or does not follow due process, it all does, or the system falls down.

It's a shame people don't see wotlrking for the civil service the same way!

I still.think found guilty of killing your patients should just be an automatic barring.

All this is just more attention being given to a child killer

Indeed. Plus, I’d love to see her revalidation reflective accounts and how they link to The Code!!

It does seem pointless but as PPs have said, due process has to be followed. But knowing the NMC, any hearing will be dragged out until the only conclusion is reached ….striking off due to her fitness to practise being impaired as a result of being a serial killer.

Well done for coming up with an even sillier response than just admitting you thought the NMC was tax payer funded

I still.think found guilty of killing your patients should just be an automatic barring.

The staff time and effort to rewrite policy and procedure and getting it approved for such an unusual circumstance would be more than the hearing to just rubber stamp each case.

Just checked out of interest and there was a disciplinary hearing with the professional conduct committee of GMC. HS waived his right to notice hence it happening quickly and I believe he wasn't represented but he still had right of appeal. Different body and rules, yes, but it still went through the correct processes.

what is fucking stupid is sitting around discussing whether someone who is spending the rest of their life in prison will ever practice as a nurse again

I don’t know why you think it’s stupid to point out this isn’t a good use of money: mine, yours, anybody’s. The NMC are taking it from nurses pockets. That is not a good use of money.

I'm sure it's a formality they have to go through.

This has been going on since November when she agreed actually agreed to be struck off and they still haven't done it !

I just think they should have left it, she doesn't have a pin anyway as she's been in prison for 3 years. Her registration has lapsed , she can't sue for that!

what is fucking stupid is sitting around discussing whether someone who is spending the rest of their life in prison will ever practice as a nurse again

I know nothing about the process but I know how similar bodies work.

First of all, it's always important that due process is followed, even more so in matters of public interest.

Secondly, by putting on record the regulatory body's view of her heinous acts, they are making a powerful statement of support for the affected families & condemnation of her actions.

Finally, I'm not sure why you think they'll all be 'sitting around discussing' it - they'll follow the necessary process, it's unlikely to take any extended time. It's not a general free for all.

And nearly a quarter of a century ago.

OP - Tell me you have never worked in the public sector without ever telling me you have never worked in the public sector.

If you think this is a waste of money, you really do know nothing of the waste of the public sector.

It won't have been a 'hearing' in the way that all the information was discussed, evidence, witnesses etc. It will have been a small part of a larger meeting as a formality to finalise what was inevitable. She has to be struck off and that is the way to do it.

I can see your point but there needs to be a process for these things. They can’t just randomly strike people off

As someone who was a radiographer I have seen other Radiographers be struck off for silly things compared to this! And without any hearings!!! It isn't open for debate what she did or needing a hearing. Jail throw away they key.

Striking her off doesn’t scream against common sense.

Nurses don’t want to be associated with her. And they don’t want people to be able to say, down the line, “Nurses get away with anything. The NMC won’t even strike murderers off.”

It would be bloody stupid of a professional body to not ensure a member convicted of using their professional role to murder was formally struck off.

And this is the process they have to do that. Potentially they could have set up a process for anyone convicted of murder to be struck off via a much abbreviated process, but often it costs more to have rarely used exceptions to a standard process.

Stamping your feet about it is just fucking childish.