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Yorkshirelass04 · 12/02/2024 22:18

Yorkshirelass04 · 12/02/2024 18:24

This could be construed as gaslighting.

Saying this has been explained many times. When the simple matter is people just don’t agree with you. You don’t get to say it’s been explained and we are too stupid to understand. You started an AIBU thread and then threw up on anyone who didn’t back your stance on this MP.

Also, if you’re not a Tory voter, please tell us who you do intend to vote for and end the building suspense…

Melonandfalafel · 12/02/2024 22:19

Starmer all credibility with me today. I do not trust the Labour Party.
I will be voting Tories again. Starmer did not take action because he’s trying to balance the votes. I’m afraid, that actions like this has the potential for evil to prevail.
The Tories are awful but anti-semitism is serious.

NotQuiteNorma · 12/02/2024 22:21

Melonandfalafel · 12/02/2024 22:19

Starmer all credibility with me today. I do not trust the Labour Party.
I will be voting Tories again. Starmer did not take action because he’s trying to balance the votes. I’m afraid, that actions like this has the potential for evil to prevail.
The Tories are awful but anti-semitism is serious.

Labour have now removed the candidate in question and taken action. Check sky news out.

Melonandfalafel · 12/02/2024 22:22

Thank you @NotQuiteNorma

Jellykat · 12/02/2024 22:24

Mooda · 12/02/2024 21:27

It's not antisemitic to criticise this appalling Israeli government. Frankly more people should have the guts to do so. Netanyahu is a despicable thug. Saying this does not make me antisemitic. I despise him and his government for their actions, not because they are Jewish.

Agree! I see a leader, killing innocent children and women by the thousands.
His religion doesnt factor into it, in my eyes.

WerewolfBarMitzvahSpookyScary · 12/02/2024 22:27

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stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 22:29

@Yorkshirelass04 did you not get the reaction you wanted last time so have come back to poke again?

Why?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/02/2024 22:31

noblegiraffe · 12/02/2024 20:42

More comments? Colour me surprised.

The sort of person who is willing to spout in public about how Israel deliberately allowed the murder and rape of Israelis to justify an invasion is exactly the sort of person who spouts even worse shit when not in public.

It means that their view of what is acceptable to air publicly is totally distorted.

Well put as usual, noblegiraffe

Starmer might have tried to brush this under the carpet for as long as possible, but the "further comments" are almost inevitable from someone with thought processes like this - they just can't help themselves, though they usually aim for the right audience when spouting their filth

Lighteningstrikes · 12/02/2024 23:10

Here we go.

The world is watching Israel is committing genocide, but never mind about that.

Israeli soldiers on tictok showing off and laughing while they blow up villages, but never fucking mind about that either.

Grotbag81 · 12/02/2024 23:35

Labour, have a nasty habit of trying to sweeping everything under the carpet.

Which includes favouring the block vote, hence the repercussions politically now, from every diverse side.

The very reason the block Muslim vote won in Rochdale/Oldham has been due to low turnout and a disenfranchised white working class who don't vote because Labour bet their safe seats on the block. Feck everyone else. # hence the grooming scandal, it's all extremely toxic. Oldham Council entwined with Rochdale and the ongoing scandal it's a shambles and the deafening silence. Labour knew this was coming and chose to close ranks and they've politically fecked themselves rather than listening!

Arooj Shah Gangster chief leader of Oldham Council, unapologetically a friend of Dale Creegan's getaway driver & pictured in her campaign ads (please feel free to Google) fake car bombing allegations that were proven not true by neighbours CCTV footage all to cover "Daddy the Groomer" was an Oldham Council employee & continued employing him with access to vulnerable adults and children.

Oldham Council lied to Keith Vaz a senior member of parliament and yet Manchester is still refused an independent government inquiry, other than newsham and what his face that seems to be happy to take the money and whatever boundaries of remit of investigation the labour part defined to continue the sweeping under the rug.

It fuels the far right, which frankly is dangerous with Oldham's historic race riots, quite frankly it's wreckless politics for votes and a highly dangerous approach for all agencies and the public alike..it's a

The trade unions are in the same pitiful way full of dinosaurs, all love heart unions to eager to please, than represent the very people, who they formed to represent. It's a shambles

maudelovesharold · 12/02/2024 23:52

It is so fucked up to conflate criticism of the horror being visited on the people of Gaza by the Israeli Government, with anti-Semitism. The corollary of that will be that no-one can ever call out the Israelis for any atrocities that they perpetrate on innocent civilians because…..anti-Semitic. So one country’s Government gets a free pass? That’s really frightening. To my knowledge no other country, regardless of its religious foundation, is afforded that privilege.

dapsnotplimsolls · 12/02/2024 23:54

Daily Mail now has more detail.

pasteloblong · 13/02/2024 00:00

maudelovesharold · 12/02/2024 23:52

It is so fucked up to conflate criticism of the horror being visited on the people of Gaza by the Israeli Government, with anti-Semitism. The corollary of that will be that no-one can ever call out the Israelis for any atrocities that they perpetrate on innocent civilians because…..anti-Semitic. So one country’s Government gets a free pass? That’s really frightening. To my knowledge no other country, regardless of its religious foundation, is afforded that privilege.

This.

Especially as the Israeli government are far right now.

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 13/02/2024 02:06

Mooda · 12/02/2024 21:27

It's not antisemitic to criticise this appalling Israeli government. Frankly more people should have the guts to do so. Netanyahu is a despicable thug. Saying this does not make me antisemitic. I despise him and his government for their actions, not because they are Jewish.

No state or government should be beyond criticism, I agree.

I read this in January: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67958260.amp

Israel is not unique in being accused of ‘allowing’ a terrorist attack to take place in order to further their agenda - this was pretty common after 9/11 too. While I understand the history of anti-semitism and how insidious the (appalling) tropes can be - I still think Israel can and should be criticised for their response to 7/10. Don’t get me started on the international community, either!

I pray for peace for people on both sides of the conflict. The people of Israel do not deserve what happened on 7/10 and people in Gaza do not deserve the horror happening now. Jewish people across the world do not deserve the increase in anti-semitism they are facing, and Muslims do not deserve the increase in Islamophobia. ❤️ to any mumsnetters who are involved in this conflict on a personal level.

Female soldiers who guarded Israel's border

They were Israel's 'eyes on the border' - their warnings went unheard - BBC News

A unit of young female soldiers warned of a big attack. They were among the first Hamas killed on 7 October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67958260.amp

Coyoacan · 13/02/2024 04:23

It's not Antisemitic; it's a criticism of the Usraeli government. If you criticise the Irish government, that doesn't make you anti-Catholic

Coyoacan · 13/02/2024 04:28

notherday · 12/02/2024 14:38

Pretty appalling that people pretend they can’t see the anti-semitism in a conspiracy theory that has blood thirsty Jews secretly collaborating behind the scenes to be able to carry out their twisted, bloodthirsty plans. Especially a conspiracy theory that uses a racist brutal massacre against the Jewish who were its victims, by saying they connived to allow it. Thus upending Jewish victims into Jewish perpetrators.

Anti-semitism is rife and pervasive as these posters show. October 7th shone light on you all.

Edited

You are the one that sounds Antisemitic. I'm strongly antizionist myself and share that position with a lot of excellent Jews who do not agree genocide being done in their name

SinnerBoy · 13/02/2024 05:32

I'm half inclined to think that Starmer is allowing various things, because he doesn't rally want to be elected. After all, who would want to try to put this current pile of shite to rights? It seems very, very difficult indeed and whoever is in is bound to be blamed by the electorate.

GRex · 13/02/2024 06:13

Ali's additional comments have been clarified with an additional recording as (to quote BBC): blaming "people in the media from certain Jewish quarters" for the suspension of Andy McDonald from the Labour Party.
Point to the "actions of a government" that gets trotted out to get away with other anti semitic comments? Oh, whoops, missed it that time. At least it is now clear enough for his apologisers to see his anti semitism. If you still agree with him, you are the problem.

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 06:53

GRex · 13/02/2024 06:13

Ali's additional comments have been clarified with an additional recording as (to quote BBC): blaming "people in the media from certain Jewish quarters" for the suspension of Andy McDonald from the Labour Party.
Point to the "actions of a government" that gets trotted out to get away with other anti semitic comments? Oh, whoops, missed it that time. At least it is now clear enough for his apologisers to see his anti semitism. If you still agree with him, you are the problem.

Edited

blaming "people in the media from certain Jewish quarters" for the suspension of Andy McDonald from the Labour Party.

Agree with the rest of your post

Grandmasswag · 13/02/2024 07:14

I think labour have handled this very well. I don’t think the first recording that they released was antisemitism, it was critical of the Israeli gov, therefor labour didn’t withdraw their support. He’s now allegedly been heard saying things that are definitely antisemitic so they have immediately withdrawn their support. I hate to tell Tory HQ that I don’t think this is the big win they were hoping.

Skodacool · 13/02/2024 07:16

Azhar Ali should not have been so quick to back down. There are plenty who would agree with him. As for the further remarks that Israel is emptying Gaza in order to grab the land, well, look what’s happening!

KimberleyClark · 13/02/2024 07:19

He’s talking about the Israeli government not the Jewish people. So not anti semitic.

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 07:19

Grandmasswag · 13/02/2024 07:14

I think labour have handled this very well. I don’t think the first recording that they released was antisemitism, it was critical of the Israeli gov, therefor labour didn’t withdraw their support. He’s now allegedly been heard saying things that are definitely antisemitic so they have immediately withdrawn their support. I hate to tell Tory HQ that I don’t think this is the big win they were hoping.

Ha Labour are criticising each other on this. Clearly not the diehards on mn but outside that

notherday · 13/02/2024 07:20

Coyoacan · 13/02/2024 04:28

You are the one that sounds Antisemitic. I'm strongly antizionist myself and share that position with a lot of excellent Jews who do not agree genocide being done in their name

Well perhaps I do to someone with the extremely poor comprehension skills that you clearly have. Nowhere in my post do I take a stand either way on what you call Zionism or the bombing of Gaza.

I’d explain it again, though you could go back and read it in context and try to gain an accurate of what was actually been discussed, but I doubt there’s any point. If you have interpreted what I said as you did, you are clearly highly motivated to misinterpret to fit your prejudices.

Skodacool · 13/02/2024 07:23

Yorkshirelass04 · 12/02/2024 14:32

It's very curious that some posters on this board are more likely to trust the Israeli government's actions than our own MPs.

Let's face it... the attack on Israel HAS allowed them to do what they want.

That is true