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Porn should be illegal

86 replies

Beatrixemerald · 11/02/2024 19:39

I know lots of people enjoy it harmless blah blah but I just read about four boys aged 12-14 being arrested for rape and it’s made me think about the damage porn is doing to young people. They may not have been exposed to porn but I suspect that’s highly unlikely.
My understanding is that violent porn/strangulation etc has become the norm and I think teens are getting a totally distorted view of sex/consent.
Ultimately on balance I can’t see any place for it in society and I consider myself pretty liberal minded ie what consenting adults want to do is totally fine but that porn is distorting and normalising things that naturally people wouldn’t choose to do. AIBU?

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HateItWhenABitchLetsHimselfSlide · 11/02/2024 21:13

MartinsSpareCalculator · 11/02/2024 20:48

Porn is already illegal for under 18s. I think parents should be doing more to block content on their home networks, and being more proactive with checking what their children are looking at online, and the nature of the conversations they're having.

The lid is already blown off pandoras box. There's no going back to how it was as we live in a world now in which everything has to be accessible within seconds. But better parenting instead of blindly assuming your child would never look at x or do y would benefit everyone. Likewise having the conversations about fantasy vs reality.

So blocking the porn at home but kids accessing it on their phones when not at home is ok?

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 11/02/2024 21:18

Porn doesn't cause kink

I experienced arousal from something in a completely normal, non-porn, setting which confused me until I encounted something most of MN would consider porn. It helped me explore and understand those feelings.

Violent, kink, Porn doesn't only exist Male to Female, it can happen Male to Male, Female to Male and Female to Female as well btw

Porn should be better controlled and regulated. Making it illegal would make it LESS regulated, force it underground and make it harder for those involved to speak out.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 11/02/2024 21:22

Also there's some wild leaps being made on here...

Everyone clearly agrees that CHILDREN shouldn't be able to access porn but some of us think regulated porn should be legal for adults. Neither of these are saying porn should be a free for all, accessible to anyone

TinySaltLick · 11/02/2024 21:42

PaperDoIIs · 11/02/2024 21:06

@MartinsSpareCalculator then why bother checking for ID for buying fags,alcohol, possible weapons, entry into clubs etc?

Why not just expect parents to control and parent their kids?

But also no ID for violent literature, streaming films, pork belly, out of date seafood, cement, telling horror stories, going to bed late

PaperDoIIs · 11/02/2024 21:45

@TinySaltLick are those things illegal for under 18's?

TinySaltLick · 11/02/2024 21:47

Maybe not all of them but they should be

Hankunamatata · 11/02/2024 21:52

We need better education of young people about sex. Talks of consent and body autonomy need started in early primary school, progressing as children grow up

PaperDoIIs · 11/02/2024 21:59

Hankunamatata · 11/02/2024 21:52

We need better education of young people about sex. Talks of consent and body autonomy need started in early primary school, progressing as children grow up

That is being done in primary, but it's not enough when the visuals don't match the "theory".

Ponderingwindow · 11/02/2024 22:09

the use of actual humans in porn is problematic. Consent can not truly be purchased. It is also impossible for viewers to know if the charade of buying consent for money actually took place.

porn that uses the written word, animation, and computer generated images that are not designed to replicate specific people could fill the demand without the ethical problems.

Toppppop · 11/02/2024 22:26

Maybe we should consider it as paedophilia, deliberately involving children (under 16) who cant consent. Because access is so available.

A magazine etc is very different. And obviously p3 (?) Girls used to exist.

motherofkevinnotperry · 11/02/2024 22:32

Porn does not cause kids of that age to rape. There's a whole untold issue with how that's even happened.

Kids shouldn't watch porn but they do. So instead of pushing it into the realms of illusive, dark and dirty let's educate our children better and have open conversations about sex.

localnotail · 11/02/2024 22:32

What, a couple of completely normal, intelligent and nice boys watched porn and suddenly decided to go and rape someone? Yeah, right. That's exactly how it happened. Stop blaming internet/ computer games/ phones/ whatever for shit parenting, feral upbringing and absence of morals.

PaperDoIIs · 11/02/2024 22:36

localnotail · 11/02/2024 22:32

What, a couple of completely normal, intelligent and nice boys watched porn and suddenly decided to go and rape someone? Yeah, right. That's exactly how it happened. Stop blaming internet/ computer games/ phones/ whatever for shit parenting, feral upbringing and absence of morals.

Yes because "nice" boys with good education,upbringing and stable home lives never rape anyone. Right.

cordeliachaseatemyhandbag · 11/02/2024 22:36

Of course we could make all porn illegal.

Child & 'extreme' porn already are so it all should be.

It harms all of society.

localnotail · 11/02/2024 22:43

PaperDoIIs · 11/02/2024 22:36

Yes because "nice" boys with good education,upbringing and stable home lives never rape anyone. Right.

Well if they rape someone they aren't nice, are they? There is always something. Wealth, education and "stability" would never compensate for shit parenting and lack of interest in your kid life. Lets not put words in my mouth, ok?

thedankness · 12/02/2024 09:45

If our behaviours aren't affected by images, why is advertising such a huge industry? Companies wouldn't spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on advertising if it wasn't effective. And porn isn't an advert, it's not a fictional representation of sex like in a film, it's footage of real sex acts between real people. Of course it influences sexual behaviour. How many 60 year old women today were pressured for anal or strangled during sex when they were in their early twenties? Because this is a common experience for young women today. Porn encourages male entitlement to sex and normalises violent and abusive sex. These are key factors in rape.

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 18:00

thedankness · 12/02/2024 09:45

If our behaviours aren't affected by images, why is advertising such a huge industry? Companies wouldn't spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on advertising if it wasn't effective. And porn isn't an advert, it's not a fictional representation of sex like in a film, it's footage of real sex acts between real people. Of course it influences sexual behaviour. How many 60 year old women today were pressured for anal or strangled during sex when they were in their early twenties? Because this is a common experience for young women today. Porn encourages male entitlement to sex and normalises violent and abusive sex. These are key factors in rape.

The truth is, people don't wanna know(mostly because they don't want to look at their own habits,or the people around them and this stuff happens to other people), or god forbid get inconvenienced during their daily wank. Children's and women's safety comes way way below that.

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 18:01

@localnotail you keep telling yourself that. As a victim of such boys(that I knew since I was 7 and grew up with), I know better .

rainydaysandwednesdays · 12/02/2024 18:06

It's a grubby industry as it is, it would get even grubbier if made illegal.

More internet controls for kids. I'd even back smart phone use illegal for kids. Give them all dumb phones and watch them wake up from their zombie state.

wellhello24 · 12/02/2024 18:06

MartinsSpareCalculator · 11/02/2024 21:00

And you don't think that other parents actually parenting properly would help that situation?

You can block adult sites on your home WiFi. Most network operators require verification to access adult sites now, meaning ID or a credit card. But there will always be porn somewhere- Twitter, reddit, Snapchat etc.

It's upto you as a parent to monitor it properly.

Kids are doing it without their parents around ie hanging around at parks etc- Iv witnessed this. Parents cannot stop them.

wellhello24 · 12/02/2024 18:07

I wish it was made illegal. Grubby sleazy industry I just wish it would go away

Hijinks75 · 12/02/2024 18:14

Porns been available for many years, the difference today is the ease of access, once over getting hold of porn involved buying a magazine or hiring/ buying a video and having to prove your age to do it, or borrowing from someone , I’m open about watching porn, I’ve done it since being a teen, with the borrowed magazines and then the videos once old enough, I can genuinely say it has never made me want to rape someone but it’s just too easy now and the content is definitely different, the access is what needs controlling not the watching by people old enough to make a choice

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 18:25

the access is what needs controlling not the watching by people old enough to make a choice

That is the way to do it, if there is a will for it.

Speckledpasta · 12/02/2024 18:29

YABU. Their parents should have taught them not to be rapists.

If anything porn is a symptom of our misogynistic patriarchy and banning it would, therefore, make no difference

MartinsSpareCalculator · 12/02/2024 19:47

HateItWhenABitchLetsHimselfSlide · 11/02/2024 21:13

So blocking the porn at home but kids accessing it on their phones when not at home is ok?

Most network providers automatically block adult material until you provide verification of age and opt in to being able to view it.

There are also a myriad of mechanisms to block apps, software, Internet etc on children's phones. It's upto you as a parent to use them.