XL Bully attack | 8 year old boy seriously injured

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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/schoolboy-8-seriously-injured-after-28610020

"A schoolboy is in a serious condition in hospital after being mauled by what is believed to be an XL bully.

Merseyside Police were called to Wadham Road in Bootle just after 5.20pm on Saturday following reports a dog had bitten an eight-year-old boy to the head in the communal area of flats nearby.

The boy was rushed to hospital with serious head injuries and required emergency surgery. He remains in hospital in a serious but stable condition."

IMHO the ban doesn't go anywhere near far enough and all XL Bullys need to be put to sleep.

AIBU?

Honestly, you own one of these dogs so really, you’re opinion isn’t of interest. You’re part of the problem. It’s that simple. These dogs should all be destroyed. But you want to keep them in your home… it does put you into a certain group of people. And we’re just not interested in listening to you defend these dogs when people are being mauled to death every other week.

Glad you love your dog. Sorry you have such poor judgement.

I find the 'I prefer dogs to people' thing rather irritating.
Presumably the reason they prefer their dog is that it is a pet and it has no choice but to fawn over them and obey them. (Unless it's an XL bully and sees you as a human chew toy)
It cannot argue with them or screw them over etc, this is true but it's not because the animal is morally superior it's because it doesn't have a large enough brain, opposable thumbs etc.
If dogs are so great why don't you go and live in dog city where all the businesses are staffed by dogs all the cars are driven by dogs etc.

The need to all be put down. I’m wondering how many people it’s acceptable to have killed by these beasts. The ‘ban’ will make no difference on attacks within the home and I expect children will pay the highest price.

@Bruisername https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofffataldoggattacksinntheUniteddStates

SHAME ON YOU

The one I have now comes from a top bloodline

😂😂

@Itslegitimatesalvage my comments interested you enough to comment though ☺️

I’m a bit put out at this - I have a working springer spaniel who is docked and I am definitely not posh! Working dogs are docked so their tail doesn’t get injured when running through scrub and woodland

Also, not all docked spaniels are active working dogs...but imo being docked is still incredibly useful, for their own good.

We have a Springer from working lines. She's a pet only but her parents were gun dogs so the litter was docked before we saw her. However, even as 'only' a pet, I'm incredibly glad she's docked as she tears herself through deep scrub at any given opportunity and we walk through forests every day. Tail injuries are common in un-docked springers because their behaviour is innate and not something you can train out of them.

@Bruisername

If you are familiar with Reddit data is collated monthly

I’ll be honest, I have said ‘dogs are better than people’. It’s meant as a bit of a joke really but there’s a grain of truth in it. Most animals are ‘better’ than humans because humans are so incredibly destructive in a way that animals really aren’t. Animals haven’t destroyed the planet through greed and laziness. They just follow their instincts. Most animals would only attack humans out of fear or hunger whereas humans hurt each other (and other animals) frequently, for no reason.

I do prefer to spend time with my dog than most humans. Humans tend to talk a lot and I like silence 😂

But none of this means I think XL Bullies should be owned as pets any more than a chimpanzee or tiger should be owned as a pet. The dogs themselves aren’t ‘bad’ or ‘evil’ because as PP said, animals aren’t capable of making moral choices. The breeds only exist because of stupid decisions by humans motivated by greed and selfishness. Yet again, humans have fucked up. (Some other breeds also shouldn’t exist in their current form, not because they’re dangerous but because their quality of life is shit due to genetic health problems).

The current ‘solution’ to the XL Bully problem is obviously not working. Exterminating every last one of them is probably going to be the only way to solve the issue (until the next stupid breeding experiment) but I can’t see the govt doing it.

They all need to be euthanised.

Enough is enough.

I'd rather these dogs dead than any more people.

I've been so sickened by people on my FB feed telling others to mind their own business if they see an XL bully outside without a muzzle.

Tbh I think the exemption ban and muzzle requirement has just been an absolute sop to these sort of owners. They don't even want to abide by that.

So kill all the XLs.

You’re both spot on. It’s a very worrying and strange mindset. And explains why sometimes when a dog has fatally attacked a child or adult member of the family, the remaining family members fight to keep it alive.

I agree the dogs aren't inherently bad, and neither is a bear or a tiger. Both animals I wouldn't have as a pet in my living room.

There are cases where someone has been seriously mauled by their own dog, had their arm torn off, serious disfigurement etc and they have still kept the animal. I'm inclined to think that they have developed some sort of trauma bond with the creature?

Are there an equivalent number of dangerous dog attacks in other countries? I wonder how other governments are approaching the problem. Someone posted earlier about Spain saying that there are a much smaller number of XL Bullies there, and I would imagine the same is true for most European countries. Surely lots of people in the US have large, dangerous dogs though (given that this is a place where some people think it’s reasonable to keep big cats as pets). Perhaps people just shoot them and it’s the one and only situation where it’s an advantage to live in a country where so many people have guns?!

Animals haven’t destroyed the planet through greed and laziness. They just follow their instincts
This is because instincts are all they have, they are just as greedy and lazy as humans but without the enhanced brain capacity, coupled with physical and linguistic dexterity that would allow them to extend themselves in the way that we do.

Yes if not more so the USA is particularly bad for Pitbull type animals, check out Reddit ban pit bulls, it is horrifying

If dogs are so great why don't you go and live in dog city where all the businesses are staffed by dogs all the cars are driven by dogs etc.

This is what I’m picturing and it sounds amazing. I’m packing my bags as we speak.

I think they should be removed from the community, just as it became illegal to own other dangerous animals. They will have to be destroyed because it’s not like there is an appetite for dangerous dog zoos.

I can't think of any dog breed a toddler could fight?

Thanks @Gloriosaford, I’ll take a look at Reddit. Interested to know if the US Government is trying to deal with the problem.

The issue is that it is the owner not the dog.

It is the owner who choose to breed and buy these dogs.

It is the owner who chooses to keep potentially dangerous animals around children

It is the owner who keeps them confined, doesn't exercise and doesn't train them

It is the owner who keeps them unmuzzled

It is the owner who likes a dangerous dog as a status symbol

and so on...

(yes I'm aware that some owners are highly responsible, but lets be real most normal people don't want to own a potential killing machine, they go for a cockapoo or a labrador)

And the wider societal issue is how on earth do we police these owners when the ones owning the dogs that attack probably don't give two hoots about the law, probably keep their dog inside / in their yard most of the time, probably terrify their neighbours who wouldn't dare complain for fear of being targeted, probably have mates who have similar aggressive dogs, probably live on sink estates where drugs, child abuse, child neglect and other crimes are a police and slocial worker priority not checking on dog breeds.

It's easy to say 'lets ban all xl bullies' but that is just going to be a green light for the type of person who owns them- they'll become a bigger status symbol, be hidden away more and not get exercise making them more aggressive and so on. We have massive anti social behaviour in this country that is what is terrifying. I'm sure there's some areas and estates police just avoid as it's too much hassle and nothing will ever change.

Thanks. A lot of bull terrier/pit bull

It is the owner who choose to breed and buy these dogs.
@icelolly12
Well said 👏🏻
These creatures should not be kept as pets, they have no place in society.
I'm sure there's some areas and estates police just avoid as it's too much hassle and nothing will ever change
I do feel that this is unfair on the police though, is it not more the case that they don't have the resources to deal with the problems? Remember it's very difficult to defend yourself against an attack from one of these animals, your only chance is if you have a firearm.
We might as well have leopards roaming our streets, Jesus wept.

Nobody's claiming that the owners are blameless, they are choosing to own these beasts because they like the fact it makes them look hard and that other people are intimidated by their animal.

The breed in itself is ALSO a problem though, these things are too strong, too powerful, too unpredictable to have living in homes.