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Naga Munchetty vs Chris Philp

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Betterbuckleupbarbara · 08/02/2024 10:54

Usually I can’t watch her but AIBU on this occasion to feel holding people accountable for what they say and when they say them is justified.

I am also wondering why the misgendering:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/naga-munchetty-clashes-tory-minister-094145093.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGfp2e1eIingbLbD2e2NX2anZV2FJjbLq5dDR71-1eabuM4r7YuRwvVyH0oLlHLDu2PsTtCB05uCjvjPXDNUE94dGNW-o_IoY5_cg-iBbmTOcdNllHctKZpvIoH5aiv3HFiBgGyphv5VcXE0L_a48rP6mIj_kH7dIlTx5UtFsORi

Naga Munchetty Clashes With Tory Minister In Angry Exchange Over Sunak Trans Row

The BBC presenter did not appreciate Chris Philp's explanation of the PM's controversial remarks.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/naga-munchetty-clashes-tory-minister-094145093.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGfp2e1eIingbLbD2e2NX2anZV2FJjbLq5dDR71-1eabuM4r7YuRwvVyH0oLlHLDu2PsTtCB05uCjvjPXDNUE94dGNW-o_IoY5_cg-iBbmTOcdNllHctKZpvIoH5aiv3HFiBgGyphv5VcXE0L_a48rP6mIj_kH7dIlTx5UtFsORi

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Betterbuckleupbarbara · 09/02/2024 19:01

@cakeorwine Thats reads like the playground spats of year 5s. Cringeworthy at best.

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cakeorwine · 09/02/2024 19:23

Betterbuckleupbarbara · 09/02/2024 19:01

@cakeorwine Thats reads like the playground spats of year 5s. Cringeworthy at best.

PMQs are so scripted.

And that's the issue - he clearly either didn't listen to Keir Starmer or didn't think how his scripted line might come across.

Gymrabbit · 09/02/2024 19:31

I don’t think Rishi did anything wrong but I do think the PM should have more sense than to do something that can do easily be jumped on.
also although he apparently wasn’t so what if Chris Philps used male pronouns for a boy.

cakeorwine · 09/02/2024 19:47

Gymrabbit · 09/02/2024 19:31

I don’t think Rishi did anything wrong but I do think the PM should have more sense than to do something that can do easily be jumped on.
also although he apparently wasn’t so what if Chris Philps used male pronouns for a boy.

When people show you who they are, believe them

App13 · 09/02/2024 20:27

Ktime · 08/02/2024 23:01

In the live interview Chris Philps calls Brianna Ghey he, and has to be corrected.

I've just watched the clip and I can't see where Chris Phillips calls Brianna Ghey 'he'? In the clip he clearly says 'her' three times.

I've never voted Tory in my life but I do think Keir was disingenuous here, I really don't think Rishi was referencing Brianna Ghey.

This!

buckeejit · 09/02/2024 21:57

Cheap of KS to divert attention from himself to BG's mother. Agree with Hermione's post. Women's rights & trans issues are still a massive issue - it's a ridiculous spectacle when they talk of anything in PMQ, the dramatics & provocation demean any serious issues. It's possible to feel immense compassion for people who have lost a child who identifies as trans, while realising that
Women's rights need to be protected & discussed. It often feels like the politicians egos are vying for the biggest reaction, it's galling.

cakeorwine · 09/02/2024 22:05

buckeejit · 09/02/2024 21:57

Cheap of KS to divert attention from himself to BG's mother. Agree with Hermione's post. Women's rights & trans issues are still a massive issue - it's a ridiculous spectacle when they talk of anything in PMQ, the dramatics & provocation demean any serious issues. It's possible to feel immense compassion for people who have lost a child who identifies as trans, while realising that
Women's rights need to be protected & discussed. It often feels like the politicians egos are vying for the biggest reaction, it's galling.

So you think it's appropriate to bring it up whilst Esther was in the House of Commons?
You don't think it would have been sensitive to think "Hang on, why don't I not mention that bit, I could just mention the other things instead?"''

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HermioneWeasley · 09/02/2024 09:35

Christ, I cannot believe posters are a king me defend Rishi Sunak.

the facts are clear - he was listing Starmer’s u turns and whether or not women have a penis was one of them. Nobody would have connected it to Brianna if Starmer hadn’t used the appalling murder of a child to score cheap political points. As a floating voter it makes me think less of Starmer, not Sunak.

on a related point, women are always told it’s an offensive time to talk about our rights - it’s the holy month of Pride, or asexual furrie awareness day, or it’s the day that brianna’s killers were sentenced. It’s always just an excuse to shut us up as nonsense like “women with a penis” doesn’t stand public scrutiny at all.

100%

No matter where they are on the political spectrum, any policitian who claims they can't define a woman (something so fundamental and basic) has completely and utterly lost the plot and can't be trusted to be voted for.

Biology determines male or female across the whole of nature and it's been this way from the very beginning, before even humans existed thousands of years ago. It's only in recent decades that a tiny vocal minority who refuse to accept reality have been continuously trying to gaslight the public, erase freedom of speech and stifle any form of debate. The only reason they've been gaining success is because people aren't standing up enough for common sense and it will only get worse if people don't speak out more. As with all the other crazy things humanity has done during human history, where certain societies go along with things for a easy life and those who dare speak up are persecuted, future generations will look back and wonder why people sat back and let all this happen.

I really feel for people who have gender dysphoria, which is a mental disorder. The compassionate thing is proper long term mental health and other support to get to the root of why they're feeling that way and to ultimately accept their sex. We don't go around trying to normalise the disordered self perception of people with anorexia, bulimia or ANY other type of body image dysphoria, no matter how much they genuinely believe their thoughts. There's real concerns about what the current trans lobbies are promoting regarding people suffering from gender dysphoria, especially children.

Betterbuckleupbarbara · 11/02/2024 00:07

@OpalOrchid Why oh why do people always attack the vulnerable and easy targets.

If there cannot be a modicum of humanity and compassion around the murder of a child we are utterly lost as a species.

The politics are what go us into this mess in the first place, and to that point there is a time and place for everything.

@buckeejit the objection to the discussion was in the way it was conducted. I’m not sure many would have an issue with a fair reasonable debate around trans issues and I’m sure Brianna’s parents would welcome it considering what happened (I can’t speak for them of course), but maybe if there was sense and reason there wouldn’t be such hatred and divide.

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