To think all these Warwickshire Councillors should be fired?

[GreenBottleHanging]

If you haven’t seen the video from there Warwickshire Council meeting discussing SEND and their comments then I’ll post below (sorry but it’s the DM. The video is about halfway down).

Some comments seemed to be suggesting that these children deserve to return to institutions, to be ‘punished’ for having special educational needs. These idiots are not just ignorant, they’re dangerous. If you’ve never been around a group of children with SEND then let me tell you it’s heartbreaking. I have ADHD and life is a fucking struggle. I’m disgusted that people in power can hold such views and think they’re so acceptable they say them allowed in public.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13047901/Outrage-Warwickshire-councillors-call-return-ways-past-disabled-children-institutions-dealt-means-suggest-children-ADHD-need-strict-correction.html#article-13047901

Already a thread about this!

Out of a cannon into the sea, yes x

Yes, they should be made an example of and set a precedent for other LA'S to hold their MP's and councillors to account too. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they get a pat on the pack and an echo chamber behind closes doors (or maybe not).

I am worried that people in power are going to say these dort of things more and more so that it becomes normalised and acceptable.

It's disgusting.

It’s truly horrifying - not only that they hold these views but they have no concerns about publicly expressing them 😳🤬

I did look but I couldn’t see one

That’s the thing that shocks me most, that they find their views so normal that they happily expressed them in a public forum

@GreenBottleHanging yes it’s not as if they were caught accidentally on camera or something - and they all seemed to think they were being terribly clever with their observations 🙄.

Disgusting vile creatures 🤬. Definitely need firing from their jobs and out of a cannon too, I’ll light the fuse !!
Both my DC have SEN and I’m truly horrified reading these absolutely abhorrent views 🤬

Simply appalling - it made me feel sick to watch the video. I have two children with SEND and have to fight for every little scrap of support and hearing the way they spoke was just so upsetting.

Some of the comments were so full of smug glee too, the one that seemed to suggest that schools/institutions had ‘better ways of dealing with such children back in the 70s’ - we all know what sort of treatment that was, how can you say something like that?

It seemed a bit like ‘well this is costing us money, how can we not spend money on this?’

Just awful. Other thread is just trying to work out why there is so much SEND. 🤔I find it a little distasteful.

I’ve had another look and I can’t find it, could you link it please? Is that allowed?

Disgusting. Tories hate disabled people, children, women, old people, poor people, brown people, sick people. Get them out.

It's so frustrating there are still dinosaurs around with this thinking.
Most Send kids thrive when placed with the appropriate support or in the correct learning environment.

I'm 52 and have just been referred for screening, it all makes sense now but I've struggled for years and despite being failed by successive governments I've still managed to achieve an MSc but I can't use a telephone for toffee, struggle with p9ads of everyday stuff but I've muddled through so far. Now I've got an understanding what's going on thingsnarenslowly starting to get better.

Mind you haven't the tories give back to 100% exams which is also useless for a lot of kids.

That’s the other thing, how can they attribute the rise of adults, especially women, being diagnosed? Many of us aren’t on social media constantly and our brains certainly didn’t develop alongside it. How can they not understand that masking is a thing and that the rise is likely down to a better understanding of neurodiversity as opposed to a rise in cases.

For years I was told I had depression (alongside ADHD), was treated for depression and nothing worked. I recently found out I have anxiety and have been treated for anxiety and it’s changed everything.
Point being; it’s not necessarily that the condition has been absent it’s that the understanding of that condition and its treatment changes so we have a better understanding.

okay devils advocate here, they certainly don't sound informed on the very basics, and indeed they should be more embarrassed to ask the questions they have asked BUT specialist schools can in some ways be considered an extension of residential care, and for some families who need more respite care residential settings might be helpful.
i don't believe mainstream settings are working well for nt or nd children, leading to increase in anxiety/school refusal/depression etc. not to mention the effects on teachers.
the decreased PE offerings most likely affects some of the adhd children and as such is exacerbated by the modern curriculum vs 1960's options.

That video is just astonishing. It’s not even like they were being secretly filmed, or anything?!

You’ve got people like that saying children with SEN need a ‘firm hand’ yet plenty of parents utterly outraged if teachers ever so much as raise their voice or use a visual reward system with their child. I think some people expect schools to be able to wave a magic wand and solve absolutely everything without any money, tools or help!

Well 34% are saying YABU on the poll, and the top rated comments on the link are agreeing with them, so I'd say there's already a pretty large minority (majority even if Daily Mail comments are representative?) who find these opinions normal and acceptable.

It's shameful and makes me very sad as the mum of two ND kids , but sadly indicative of the complete lack of understanding of a large part of society.

And black people, I agree get them out.

Councillors are elected. They cannot be ‘fired’. They’re not employees.

If people want to get rid of arseholes on their local council, they need to stop fucking voting for them.

Interesting how none of those saying I am being unreasonable have commented though to explain why I am and what it is that they disagree with.

I’m ignoring the DM comments. A lot of DM commenters are racist, sexist idiots. And these people in this video didn’t just ask questions, they made some smug suggestions that were hideous. The only comment I did enjoy was someone saying that you wouldn’t be saying the same about the rise in dementia in the elderly which is true - how come neurological issues in children are made up and naughty but neurological issues in the elderly are not? How come they’re not just being doddery and old, silly Gladys forgetting xyz again. If I said those comments out loud I would be lambasted, and rightfully so because they’re disgusting. To suggest that parents are claiming their kids have autism or ADHD because they’re ‘naughty’ is also disgusting, outdated bollocks.

@Fallenangelofthenorth Yes, I agree but saying them on the Internet and them being acceptable in everyday life aren't the same. Clearly there has been pushbike on these councillors.

I do think many people would bring back institutions if it meant that they perceived thd money being saved would benefit them or their children.

Warwick isn't the only council facing these sort of overspend and rather than cutting their cloth on the spending which they legally don't have to make, raise tax or petition the government for a higher higher needs budget it is easier to blame the children and their families.

Some councils are having their debt wiped if they decrease their send budget. See Bury Council for one.

I wonder if they'll remove mental health as an area of need in order to reduce spending on semh schools or start diagnosing learning disability instead of autism for those with profound needs and not diagnose hf autism, in a view to make it harder for parents to clarify need and provision required (some won't question) and keep more children in mainstream.

I know they are already suggesting a set number of schools to choose from (provided by the LA) rather than a setting to meet needs.

At the very least they should be expelled from the Conservative Party. They would be very unlikely to be re-elected as independents.

If any of you are on the next BBC Question Time, please ask this question, and maybe it might be chosen.

Does anyone have a non daily mail link please??