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Am I a hopeless wimp for not punching this man??

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Whatonearth123 · 05/02/2024 17:10

Last night I went for drinks with a couple of colleagues to celebrate the 65th birthday of a man at work - I am not there long and was fond of him (thought of him as a harmless type) and thought it'd be a nice thing to do. I am naturally very warm and open (but not flirty or touchy or whatever) and sometimes I get worried about what I attract. Anyway, he told me he was going to walk me to my door as he lives near me, and we chatted normall,y; I was actually talking about my husband. We stopped outside my house and he went in for a hug, and I hugged him back, and then when I pulled away from the hug he said "no, no, come back" and tried to launch in for a kiss on the lips.
So far, so dirty old man. But here's my worry: in the moment, I didn't tell him to go and f@@k himself, instead my thinking in the moment was "oh he's messing, this is a joke, I shouldn't get hysterical about it" and I let him touch my lips with his for about O.2 of a second. I then legged it, and a while later he texted saying "Sorry, didn't want to make you feel awkward. Actually I am not sorry, you tasted lovely" with a laughing emoji. I waited until this mornin and responded with "I am sure you were just messing, it's fine", just to let it pass and I suppose allow for the fact that he was being a drunk lonely old man who was waking up this morning mortified. I have to see him at work tomorrow and would really hate a vibe.
I guess though, I wonder why I didn't immediately in the moment think "this is inappropriate" and tell him what's what. I feel like a wimp. And I am annoyed about it.
Was I being unreasonable in the way I reacted? Be kind, please, I am a bit mentally vulnerable at the moment with another life stress I have going on.

OP posts:
Astrak · 06/02/2024 12:16

Back in the day, I worked in a dodgy area of London, with some dodgy people. My actions didn't always go down well. I was threatened with death on a number of occasions.
I took classes in Kung Fu and other martial arts. One of my instructors said "Right, girl: when you put 'em down, I don't want to see them getting up. Not immediately, anyway!"
I took a year of his classes and it gave me a lot of confidence. It's lasted for 50+ years.
Might be worth seeing if there are any classes available near to you?

MasterBeth · 06/02/2024 12:28

Serrates · 06/02/2024 07:38

I’m not entirely sure why his behaviour was wrong? They’re a similar age man and woman. She accepted his offer to walk her home, she accepted a hug, so he tried for a kiss and she briefly accepted that too, before escaping. He probably thinks she’s interested.

A brief goodbye mutual hug is a completely platonic and friendly gesture, and appropriate for a married work colleague.

A kiss on the lips is not.

A 65 year old knows this.

MasterBeth · 06/02/2024 12:31

Hollyhocksarenotmessy · 05/02/2024 17:39

Hi,
From an HR perspective, yes of course he crossed the line, but at the moment he could easily say it was a joke, you found it funny blah blah (the creep). Don't beat yourself up for it handling it differently at the time though.

What you really.need is for him to not be a creep again or if he is, evidence that he can't deny knowing you don't this. But you also have to work with him.

Use work emails
State something like

I was rather in shock when you grabbed me and kissed me on the lips after your work birthday drinks, and then sent me a flirty text.

I need to let you know that I do not want anything like this to happen again as I found it very inappropriate.

Edited

He could say it was a joke, but it wasn't a joke. A kiss on the lips is not a joke.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 06/02/2024 14:21

SphincterSaysWhat · 05/02/2024 17:12

I am sorry this happened to you.

This is what conditioning looks like and is part of our (women's) DNA, to be all "Mustn't fuss or make him look bad or myself look hysterical" about it.

He did a gross thing and if you wanted to, you could make his life difficult as a result. All of us should take such a stance, at the very instant it happens, but we don't because see above.

Practice telling him in a loud voice to back the fuck off, because there will be a next time if he can help it.

This. I’ve been in similar situations and it takes so much strength to act against my conditioning of “placating, don’t make a fuss, smooth everything over, at least it wasn’t anything worse”.

He did a gross thing and there are no hints of him feeling horrible (and even if he did, not your responsibility OP)!

OP: it is understandable that you didn’t hit him, even though that would have been justified. Because that would have come with the real risk of him reacting violently. But next time you’re in the safety of your own four walls: please take the time to process everything and get help if you need it. You do not have to feel sorry for him or tell him it’s allright!!

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 06/02/2024 14:21

MasterBeth · 06/02/2024 12:31

He could say it was a joke, but it wasn't a joke. A kiss on the lips is not a joke.

I agree. But he will use OP’s response against her.

MasterBeth · 06/02/2024 15:01

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 06/02/2024 14:21

I agree. But he will use OP’s response against her.

He might try.

But the OP (and the HR dept mentioned in the relevant post) should be aware that his response (if that was his reponse) would be thought of as ridiculous!

ohthehokey · 06/02/2024 16:35

I don't think your reaction was unusual.

I was discussing similar situations with friends only last week and every one of us has had some creepy man or other who's known to us act inappropriately. All of us acted far too politely because we didn't want to cause a fuss/create bad feeling.

I think women are hard wired to put up with this sort of crap even though we know we shouldn't.

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