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To ask an instructor to ban another child from the combat class?

42 replies

Ahbegyuhpardun · 03/02/2024 13:32

Ok so I haven't actually done this! and I feel really guilty about the thought of doing it, but it's the only solution I see working for us.

My just turned five-year-old has been in a judo club since September, he really enjoys it and it's really good exercise. The instructor is generally very nice but there's one little boy in the class who constantly targets my son aggressively. He's two years older than mine, but the same size so they're often paired together.
He really inappropriately hits and stamps on him (usually in the neck and groin) but only when he thinks no one is looking.
My son doesn't cry about it, he either ignores it or tells him not to do it but in a kind of high pitched anxious way, that to someone who hadn't seen what had happened leading up to it, would make my son look like he was winding this boy up.

He's never been bruised or anything like that. We didn't mention anything when it first happened because we thought it would pan out and my Father was was coming with me and didn't want me to make a fuss (I don't think he believed me and thought I was being over protective) even though my Mother's Instinct told me I should, and I now regret not saying.
2 weeks ago it happened again and the other boy threw my son on the floor (which is natural for judo) but then proceeded to stand on his groin and his neck. The instructor never sees, so I had to actually go out on the mat and intervene (after he ignored me telling over to him and making eye contact with him telling him to stop).

The instructor then told me that he's had to talk to the boy's father before because he has had issues with other children, where he tries to hurt them constantly. For the rest of the class he then tried to target my son and make sure he couldn't take part in any of the tag games and would just hover by him so no one could release him from tag and was just generally not very nice to the point where some of the the older children again started to push him about, because all they could see that he was not being very nice. It's such a strange thing though, because he will sit there and smile and shimmy next to my son with a big smile on his face as if they're friends, and when my son puts his arm around him or goes to give a high five or something in return, he punches him in the neck. My son has only just turned five so he's been four through all this and has no idea that it's not appropriate because he does it with a smile on his face and my son genuinely thinks that they are friends.
After the last session I explained he wasn't his friend because friends don't do that, and that actually upset my son more than the violent behaviour itself. I just don't want him to think that it's appropriate and I also worry that he is actually going to get hurt in one of the sessions by this boy, so it's been building gradually for a while (some sessions have been OK hence it hasn't been addressed sooner).

It's got the point now where I'm not comfortable with him being in a class with the other little boy anymore, because my son genuinely doesn't understand that he's not his friend and this little boy will just target him every single class, so we can't keep them separate.

The instructor has had to speak to the father about it before, for another child so this obviously isn't an isolated incident I feel like the only way we can keep going to the class is if he was removed, but I feel absolutely terrible suggesting that. We do like the class and the location is great, and I feel like if we were to find another club it's only a matter of time until he gets banned anyway and then moves on to the next place.

The father never sits and watches the lessons, he will go to the coffee shop that's joined on to the never sees anything happening although he has spoken to my father on the sideline before and apparently he split up from his partner and just takes him on the days that he has him. So I'm also a little bit concerned about why he's behaving that way and why is he targeting the groin and neck... is that happening to him at home? So ultimately I feel really sorry for this little boy, but I can't have him doing that to my son all the time.

We haven't been for 2 weeks now, and they posted a picture on Facebook this week without the little boy in it, saying 'classes open as usual' so I don't know whether he was just off that session or has left. And whether it's coincidence that they've posted a pic leaving him out (I said we'd be back after the last incident but then decided against it).

I know I should have mentioned it sooner, and for now we've just pulled him out of the class. But I was debating suggesting that if this boy carries on the way he is and ends up being removed from the class, then we would probably go back?

OP posts:
jeaux90 · 03/02/2024 13:37

The jnstructor is in charge of a physical sport. He should be disciplining the children and not relying on "chats" with the parents.

I'd also be removing my child from a class if the Instructor was not in control of the situation.

I'd ask the instructor whether the child has left or not, but either way I'd be clear that I'd expect him to protect your son from violent behaviour.

Onelifeonly · 03/02/2024 13:47

I'd say the instructor should be more vigilant. However they can't watch everyone all the time, and your child is not complaining, as many would, so they may not be aware of what's happening. In which case, of course you should speak up. But I don't think you should ask the child to be banned, that's for the instructor to decide. Most private classes probably avoid this as it could harm their reputation / they lose money. You should ask what they will do to stop this though, e.g pair him with someone else. Also teach your son it is OK to speak up for yourself.

If it continues and the instructor won't take action, then I'd suggest finding another class for your son.

whatthehellnow23 · 03/02/2024 14:05

My son is just 6 does kickboxing and if that was happening in his I would have told the coach straight o don't want them together and if it hadn't stopped I would have took him out.
Very sad but your son is not a punch bag!

whatthehellnow23 · 03/02/2024 14:06

Oops posted too soon, my son is also quite quiet and would never say he dislikes someone he would shrug it off. Do the other boys parents / carers attend?

Thisismynewusernamedoyoulikeit · 03/02/2024 14:13

I'd say that I don't want my child partnered with him again and give the reason.

You can't get him banned, but you can ask for your child to be protected from him. If enough parents complain, the instructor will either have to increase ratios or ban the boy.

Createausername1970 · 03/02/2024 14:14

That's totally inappropriate and I would be either removing my child or, if child still wanted to go, telling the instructor exactly what you have witnessed and saying I didn't want my child paired up with the other child.

If I were the instructor I would be telling the parent that the other child could only take part if an adult stayed to oversee.

MissyB1 · 03/02/2024 14:16

This class does not sound safe, the instructor is not noticing what is going on. There will always be kids like that one, the instructor’s job is to stop that shit happening!
I would get your ds out of there.

Frightenthedark · 03/02/2024 14:19

move your own child to a new class - this one isn’t safely organised

horseymum · 03/02/2024 14:20

The club should have a safeguarding officer you take your concerns to.

forrestgreen · 03/02/2024 14:22

I'd say that you've asked for the situation to improve and it hasn't. So I'd go back and say you don't give permission for them to be paired up from now on and can he inform anyone who needs to know.
And if that's not followed through I'd be leaving and telling them it's because they're not safeguarding my son.

holycrabsticks24 · 03/02/2024 14:23

That was an incredibly long and drawn out read. Just speak to the instructor, concisely tell them what you've seen and say you don't want your kid paired with the bully anymore.

Watch the bully and if you notice it again, make it known in that moment what exactly has happened so it's addressed there and then.

Floralnomad · 03/02/2024 14:31

Just tell the instructor that you don’t want your child paired with or indeed anywhere near this other child because of what you’ve observed . If that doesn’t work find another group .

Gymmum82 · 03/02/2024 14:32

The instructor sounds dreadful. I don’t believe he doesn’t notice what this child is doing. He’s actively ignoring it because he can’t be arsed to deal with it. He knows he’s had to speak to the parents before so he should be keeping an even closer eye on the boy.
I would either leave the group and tell the instructor why or else I would demand that my son is never paired with this boy and they are kept apart for all the games and activities. Then I would watch closely to make sure this was happening

PurplePansy05 · 03/02/2024 14:41

Yes that would be on the instructor, he needs to pay more attention, have less children there or a second instructor working alongside.

I'd be very firm that this behaviour isn't acceptable and my DS would not be attending if paired up with the other boy.

The instructor should also get his father to attend after explaining the reasons.

It's a bully in the making with some nasty traits, either a result of upbringing or just a nasty boy, it does happen and at 7 they do understand they hurt on purpose. No excuse for this behaviour.

Ahbegyuhpardun · 03/02/2024 14:43

holycrabsticks24 · 03/02/2024 14:23

That was an incredibly long and drawn out read. Just speak to the instructor, concisely tell them what you've seen and say you don't want your kid paired with the bully anymore.

Watch the bully and if you notice it again, make it known in that moment what exactly has happened so it's addressed there and then.

Yes sorry I tried to use the voice typing on my phone and ended up waffling. Apologies.
Thanks for reading and commenting.

OP posts:
Ellie1015 · 03/02/2024 16:03

Instructor should be supervising much better especially as a known issue.

I wouldn't ask him to stop the other boy attending. I would ask him to ensure your child is not paired with him and watch closely to prevent it happening again. If there is another class i would move my son and tell them the reason.

Wellhellooooodear · 03/02/2024 16:06

Not sure if yiu can get him banned but I'd kick up enough of a stink so that he isnt paired with him again.

Multipleexclamationmarks · 03/02/2024 16:11

I put yabu not because it's OK, it absolutely isn't but because it's inappropriate for you to tell the instructor to ban another child.
I'd be unhappy myself and if repeatedly complaining to the instructor doesn't work I'd remove my own child because the class sounds badly run.

PinkyBlueMe · 03/02/2024 16:25

I think it has to be your child or the bully child in the class, or you find another class. It's not just when they're paired, it's happening in tag games too.
My DS15 does martial arts and is a black belt. His club wouldn't tolerate this. The child would be warned and out the next time. I've seen this happen, and I've seen children suspended for a period of weeks to reflect.
I'm sorry but no one should be teaching martial arts to a bully.

OneTC · 03/02/2024 16:27

I wouldn't want my kid in a combat school that's gonna stand by all this, regardless of what they do with the other kid. It shouldn't require prompting from a parent. I would expect them to have to have dealt with this kind of thing before

Theoscargoesto · 03/02/2024 16:33

Another saying that the instructor is the problem. He should be safeguarding ALL the kids there-he knows this particular lad has form for behaving inappropriately, and he keeps on allowing that inappropriate behaviour. No doubt there are issues for the child and someone should be looking out for him but your job is to look after your own boy and what’s happening is not ok. It’s great yours enjoys the sport-find a better club

Marblessolveeverything · 03/02/2024 16:47

I think it's reasonable to talk to the coach and say your son is not to be paired with him again as the coach is not able to or isn't supervising enough to prevent the behaviour.

I don't think you can demand the child is put out of the class.

DragonCatcher · 03/02/2024 16:56

They are failing to safeguard your son. Speak to the designated safeguarding lead of the club and make it clear what incidents have happened so far. Keep it factual rather than emotional. You are also right to flag your concerns about the locations of where the boy is hitting your son.

See what action they take after that point- it will tell you a lot about how seriously they take safeguarding and I certainly wouldn't be staying at a club that won't safeguard my child. Imagine what happens with the older children if the coach is letting this continue with the younger ones whose parents are actually present and watching (albeit not the parent of the other child causing your issues).

They may not ban the child but they may have a more serious conversation with his parents and they should, at minimum, keep that child away from your son.

cantkeepawayforever · 03/02/2024 16:58

Ds was targeted at school at a similar age. Teacher never saw it, and ds didn’t speak up. I trained ds to shout ‘No! Stop hurting me!’ in his loudest voice whenever the child pinched / hit / kicked him, and informed the teacher that was what dS would do. It only took a couple of days for the teacher to believe what was going on snd put firm action in place. Especially if parents are watching, your child using their voice assertively and accurately should embarrass the coach into action rapidly.

Riverlee · 03/02/2024 17:01

Floralnomad · 03/02/2024 14:31

Just tell the instructor that you don’t want your child paired with or indeed anywhere near this other child because of what you’ve observed . If that doesn’t work find another group .

This, and explain why.