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AIBU - or are the Faraway Tree books utterly insane?

189 replies

BaleOfHay · 31/01/2024 07:28

I've started reading these to DD5 at bedtime and they are making my head hurt. I'm all for a bit of magic (we've just finished the Worst Witch) and I loved Enid Blyton a a child (Famous 5) but the Faraway Tree makes me want to scream and throw it out of the window. Is it just me?

OP posts:
javamum · 31/01/2024 09:33

Kids and I loved it. Still get a sense of fear thinking of Dame Slap’s school! The forerunner to every fairytale baddie for me…

Whynoholiday · 31/01/2024 09:37

Dd refused to listen to Faraway Tree she thought the books so awful and I was incredibly disappointed! I think they are really cool stories actually.
Years ago I heard that Sam Mendes had obtained the film rights though nothing seems to have come of that.

VickyEadieofThigh · 31/01/2024 09:38

We had them read to us at primary school in the 60s. I have very fond memories.

OddityOddityOdd · 31/01/2024 09:40

I absolutely loved them but my DC didn't take to any Enid Blyton. They loved Just William though, do any DC still read these books ?

borntobequiet · 31/01/2024 09:41

Loved them as a child, but yes they are utterly bonkers. Still far better than much of the trash aimed at children nowadays.

AnglepoisePond · 31/01/2024 09:44

javamum · 31/01/2024 09:33

Kids and I loved it. Still get a sense of fear thinking of Dame Slap’s school! The forerunner to every fairytale baddie for me…

I think she got reinvented as Dame Scold or something in the reissue! Certainly I picked up a copy at some point when DS was of an appropriate age and Jo had become Jo, Bessie had become Betty (I think?) and Fanny was Franny, and the various punitive authority figures were handing out ‘scoldings’ rather than slaps. Which read quite weirdly in some parts.

Flamme · 31/01/2024 09:50

Roastiesarethebestbit · 31/01/2024 07:56

I loved them as a child and I really enjoyed reading them to my own child. She found them very exciting and engaging.

Thomas the tank engine on the other hand, I had to hide them as I found them
painful to
read.

I enjoyed them, as did my children.

DS absolutely loved Thomas and we had to plough through one of the books every night. I didn't mind them but for the fact that they were just that bit too long, and I really struggled to keep awake myself while reading them. If I tried to miss a page he would be wide awake telling me off.

cocunut · 31/01/2024 09:58

I loved these books as a child; and I’m only in my 20s! Shocked at PPs calling them dated! I’m not that old 😱

EasternStandard · 31/01/2024 09:59

I think I still have these from childhood

I don’t remember them well enough to know if insane

IrritatingIrritant · 31/01/2024 10:03

SilkyMoonfaceSaucepanMan · 31/01/2024 08:44

They’re incredible.

see my username (which was not changed for this thread).

Excellent name! I often tell my daughter that she reminds me of silky!

OrlandointheWilderness · 31/01/2024 10:04

Oh completely bonkers. I loved them as a kid!

IrritatingIrritant · 31/01/2024 10:05

I had a miserable childhood. The stories properly helped me ‘escape’.

ShoePalaver · 31/01/2024 10:10

VinegarTrio · 31/01/2024 08:55

If THIS isn’t snobbery, I don’t know what is.

Morals and manners still matter. But the very mid-20th century middle class English morals and manners in Blyton are a problem in many ways.

Specifically what morals and manners do you mean? Can't think of anything that's problematic to the extent that children shouldn't be allowed to read about it?

MargaretThursday · 31/01/2024 10:14

AnglepoisePond · 31/01/2024 09:44

I think she got reinvented as Dame Scold or something in the reissue! Certainly I picked up a copy at some point when DS was of an appropriate age and Jo had become Jo, Bessie had become Betty (I think?) and Fanny was Franny, and the various punitive authority figures were handing out ‘scoldings’ rather than slaps. Which read quite weirdly in some parts.

Yes, I remember my rather nervous dd reading the modern ones and thinking how much the children/elves/etc were over reacting as how dreadful Dame Snap's (I think it was) school was. She didn't see her as particularly scary and yet they were all trembling in terror

I got the original ones and she said they made much more sense.

I can understand them not wanting to show a "good" character being violent as it could be seen to approve of the actions (like when Darryl slaps Gwen in Malory Towers), but to take it out with a "bad" character you're clearly meant to think of as wrong, seems silly.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 31/01/2024 10:19

I loved them as a child in the 80s, both my kids loved them too. I read them to them for bedtime stories. Perfect individual chapter long adventures and everyone back home for tea (with pop cakes, google buns and toffee shocks).

Reading older books is great for vocabulary as well as opening up conversations about how times change - we had a lot of chats about how boys and girls were written about. Even more so when we moved onto the the Five Find Outers and the Secret Seven. Plus reading different, older styles of writing puts them in good stead for reading assessments such as SATS and GCSE where they are expected to be able cope with things written out of their own time.

Bbq1 · 31/01/2024 10:21

Loved them - so magical as a child. Tge Wishing Chair was amazing too.

hellsBells246 · 31/01/2024 10:37

They're not 'insane' or 'cuckoo' - what's weird thing to think. They're imaginative. Fabulous for firing a kid's imagination and making them wonder 'what if...'.

SilkyMoonfaceSaucepanMan · 31/01/2024 10:40

AnglepoisePond · 31/01/2024 09:21

It was Silky, Moonface and the bloody Saucepan Man that I loathed, even as a child who adored virtually all other Enid Blyton — the basic scenario of a magic tree whose topmost branches are visited by different magic countries is a good one, but the characters are either completely generic (you could switch the names of Jo, Bessie and Fanny around without changing the story in the slightest, other than Jo bossily thinking he has to ‘protect’ the girls) or the generic wrong’un child who gets reformed (Connie, Dick) or idiotic/ cantankerous (Angry Pixie (angry), Saucepan Man (comedy-deaf and stupid), Whatsisname (sleeps).

I always felt I should like it more than I did, as EB is clearly trying to convey that the children’s family is actually poor (they have to walk the five miles from the station, the mother wants to take in washing, the children do all the housework and grow food in the garden), rather than the UMC world of the Famous Five or Five-Find Outers, with their cooks and maids and deferential farmers’ wives and WC Ern being sent to have tea in the kitchen, but I think it’s a weirdly violent fictional universe. The kids get slapped at home for not doing their jobs properly, and there’s also a lot of punishment, smacking, scolding etc in the fantasy parts.

I think the recent reissues changed the children’s names and took out all the slaps.

I think the children are meant to be deliberately generic - because then the child readers can imagine themselves as the children.

I credit this series with my entire career of writing. I strive to create something that puts me into that magical headspace only books like these can create.

AnglepoisePond · 31/01/2024 10:44

ShoePalaver · 31/01/2024 10:10

Specifically what morals and manners do you mean? Can't think of anything that's problematic to the extent that children shouldn't be allowed to read about it?

I would personally choose to add an introduction and republish unchanged, but EB is often repellently classist, sexist and racist.

One which I know has had alterations made in a reissue is The Island of Adventure, which reads quite weirdly if you don’t know it’s been altered. Originally the villain is the black servant Jo-Jo, who is a caricature — violent, threatening, strong, but also shiftless, lazy, cowardly, ignorant and superstitious, bossed around like a child by his employer, his race referenced all the time, speaking a kind of patois possibly intended to be Caribbean, always ‘rolling his eyes’ so the white show when afraid.

(In the reissue, he’s Jo, no race mentioned, and ‘big’ has been substituted for ‘black’ throughout, but he’s still speaking the same way, so he makes no ‘sense’ as a character precisely because he’s no longer an unpleasant stereotype.)

In The Secret Mountain, there’s an African child, Mufumu, who is a piccaninny stereotype, comic, fuzzy-haired, ignorant and unwaveringly loyal to the white saviour children, his worship of one of them (sleeping at his feet, decorating him with flowers) played for laughs.

In The Mountain of Adventure, there’s a black American paratrooper whose ‘thick lips’, ‘woolly hair’ and black face keep being referenced, and who continually talks about himself in the third person as a ‘poor n——’ who is ‘afraid of dem bad mens’.

I read these to DS and we talked about this stuff, as we did about Anne in the Famous Five, and George’s desire to be a boy being entirely understandable in a fictional world where girls are supposed to want to make the beds in the cave hideout rather than spy on smugglers. Or why the working-class child in the Five Find Outers ‘naturally’ has tea in the kitchen with the servants while others have it in their playroom, and why his manners are continually ticked off or praised by the others, and his poetry mocked.

But I couldn’t blame anyone who didn’t want to read this stuff to their non-white child.

Glitterblue · 31/01/2024 10:45

I love them!!

twnety · 31/01/2024 11:37

lollipoprainbow · 31/01/2024 08:47

They were of their time where morals and manners mattered unlike today.

yes and when we were free to be racist sexist arseholes and thank goodness that has changed eh?

I tried to re read The Wishing Chair to my dc when they were little, it was awful - I havent tried The Faraway Tree

notreadyandable · 31/01/2024 11:40

I know it's not the point of the thread but I loved the wishing chair. I can just about see little me a long long time ago settling down in my pillow nest with a Kit Kat and my book. Happy days.

LIZS · 31/01/2024 11:53

Whynoholiday · 31/01/2024 09:37

Dd refused to listen to Faraway Tree she thought the books so awful and I was incredibly disappointed! I think they are really cool stories actually.
Years ago I heard that Sam Mendes had obtained the film rights though nothing seems to have come of that.

I believe Simon Farnaby (Paddington 2 & 3, Wonka) is working on the screenplay

TheKeatingFive · 31/01/2024 11:57

Aw they're brilliant for this age, my kids adored them. I'm struck by how much more engaging they are for this specific age than a lot of more modern offerings.

Morals and manners still matter. But the very mid-20th century middle class English morals and manners in Blyton are a problem in many ways.

In fairness, there isn't much of this in TFT

TheKeatingFive · 31/01/2024 11:58

We lost interest in the wishing chair though. The characters aren't anything like as good.