To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?

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I've just seen a headline about him now being the front runner for the Republican nomination. Which I assume means it's entirely a possibility that he could then win.

I'm British (English) so I know our current government is a complete embarrassment. But I will never get my head around DT having been president once never mind possibly twice.

How could this happen??

AFAIK there were no wars started under DT. The Ukraine Russia war was started on Bidens watch.

I think the lefts hatred of the right and the rights hatred of the left means that there will never be any kind of political harmony in the US. Much of which is fuelled by the media, which people are all too naive and blindly believe/go along with.

Puzzledandpissedoff
"Those who would prefer Trump are probably the silent majority, like those who were for Brexit. It’s not worth getting into arguments with the vocal and often venomous minority"

Wise words, Lilacanemone, though whether they'll be a majority come the election remains to be seen

Would that be the majority who voted for Trump in 2016, or the majority who voted for him in 2020? Oh, hang on....

The popular vote in 2016 was Clinton 65,844,954, Trump 62,979,879

The popular vote in 2020 was Biden 81,281,888, Trump 74,223,251.

I couldn't help noticing that the majority were opposed to Trump on each occasion.

(As far as I can tell looking through the tables, only Republican presidents have failed to win the popular vote as well. That's why the GOP is desperate not to get rid of the Electoral College.)

Barack Obama can’t run again as he has served two terms. Michelle could run, and Barack could act as a shadow president.
I’m a life long lesbian pro choice Republican who can’t stand Trump. Nikki Haley would do a better job, and is more likely to win. Trump is an obnoxious and immature blowhard. Still, Trump would close the border, improve the economy, and prevent WWIII.
Biden doesn’t believe Taiwan should be independent. He would let Ukraine fall under Russian rule, and Israel to the Iranian backed terrorists. Biden is growing more senile, and his judgement is poor.
It’s like choosing between a douche and a sh*t sandwich.

Having had a lifelong stammer does not actually mean someone is senile, you see.

“Honestly, when a country has the choice between an 81 year old with dementia and a deluded orange criminal meglamaniac in his 70s”

Trump is only two years off being 80.

Where are all the young politicians? Surely there must be someone who can save the day!

I'm still bit taken aback though Trump is there at all with as many legal issues as he has and fact he has shown he has no respect for peaceful transfer of power.

I'm still taken aback that enough of the country voted for a fucking idiot the first time round, that they seem likely to do it again is unbelievable.

We've managed to elect some distinctly unpleasant PMs in the UK, but I don't think any of them have actually been stupid.

I really don't understand how, in the whole of the US, Biden and Trump are the only options.

Opposing views are good,it's called having a conversation. Maybe you'd prefer opposing views to be shut down then we can all live in an echo chamber? Calling people who don't support your world view 'trolls and shills' is also pretty lame.

The Electoral College is one way large states don’t get to dominate small states. It’s part of the constitutional checks and balances the Founding Fathers put in place. Disposal of it would require a Constitutional amendment. It’s not going to happen.
As for Bernie Sanders, he was bullied and voted out of the Presidential race by Hillary, Biden, and her minions. He is an Independent who caucuses and votes with the Democrats, but is an admitted Socialist. Moreover, he is older than Biden.

Yes and Putin knows he can manipulate Trump, all you have to do is flatter him, no need to worry about convincing actual politicians Trump listens to no advisors, because he is a very clever man, as he says himself so it must be true. Running the USA by his personal posts on twitter. I guess we will all have to be signed up to Truth Social to find out what the USA is doing, if he wins.

Crazier electorate, that's how (you have the understand the population first to understand why a Trump could thrive).

One where over 40% of the population are young Earth creationists who believe the planet is 6000 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs. The place is a haven for cults (Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists etc. etc. among the bigoted sects developed there...every November with "thanksgiving" they commemorate another persecuting cult (Puritans) getting fed by the Natives (a people they dehumanized as "savages" in the white settler colonial document the 'declaration of independence', then ethnically cleansed, massacred, and, to quote Hitler in 1929, "put the modest remnant under observation in a cage"). The country itself is a cult..televangists, megachurches, children having to pledge allegiance (and they still sing that slave song (with words by the slave owning tyrant Francis Scott Key) as the national anthem, omitting the third verse which condemned the slaves for having the audacity to defect to the British who gave them freedom). Another religious/white supremacist group, Ku Klux Klan, had four million members there, terrorising non white people (their favourite pastime). Race mixing (interracial marraige) was "unbiblical", with Harry Truman in 1963 saying.."I don’t believe in it. Would you want your daughter to marry a Negro? She won't love someone who isn't her color." It's also the home of UFO sightings. Trump wouldn't get a sniff of being elected in any other "civilised" nation.

There religion is everybody's business, you have zero chance of being elected otherwise. Trump being an atheist, seeing him 'profess his faith' is something only a swathe of gullible people could buy what with him not being able to name a single Bible verse, and when asked whether he enjoys the Old Testament or the New Testament, said: "Probably equal. I think it's just an incredible... the whole Bible. I think it's just incredible. The whole Bible is incredible."

In relation to the america backed massacre now going on in Gaza (24000 killed), this backing is also cult based.... "Trump is a fan of Evangelical pastor and Fox contributor Robert Jeffress who previously called Trump a "Christian warrior" and said that removing him from office would create a "Civil War-like fracture" in the US, and also once said Jews were going to hell but also prayed to "bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-bible-favourite-quote-anti-semitism-executive-order-a9243236.html

I wrote this in another thread but most of it will be relevant to your question… especially this bit:

After that did find out the numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the border daily? Let’s just throw some numbers out there for fun… 2.4M in 2023 Last month 250K . For scale Your top 2 cities population wise are London -7.4M and Birmingham at ~2.6 depending on which source you use. So think about that… monthly 1/2 the population of your 10th largest city meanders over the border.

You had 52K illegal immigrants last year . The US gets 5 times that number per month.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/ami_being_unreasonable/4970457-genuine-question-not-trying-to-be-goady?reply=131724791

@DC1888 Religions did not happen within the last four years only. They were there when they voted Biden. People are coming with reasons to justify. Just accept that Biden did not deliver. He is not well and get ride of him to have any chance.

It wasn't, Russia invaded in 2014 and also annexed Crimea in this year. Didn't happen on Biden's watch. Not quite sure why America is centring itself in that particular conflict anyway.

Absolute nonsense about Biden. Can't string a sentence together? He can and he does. He's not an amazingly clear speaker, mumbles at times and rushes the odd sentence. But you watch Fox, or Trump's recent "impersonation" of Biden, and you'd get the impression he can barely speak at all, because they cheat with the replays.

Yes, he did trip going up the steps of a plane (once) and yes, he did fall off a bicycle. He's doing bloody well being on a bicycle at all in his 80s. It's true he's frailer and slower than he was (as whom among us is not?). However, he's clearly not sick or anything like it, and he clearly does have a brain which is still working, sometimes a little too fast for his tongue. But the most important thing is that he has assembled an excellent team on the basis of who can do the job, not who flatters him the most obsequiously. If he were incapacitated tomorrow the system would carry on pretty effectively. It is not and should not be run by just one person.

That, btw, was one of Trump's pet moans, that the Deep State wouldn't let him do anything. No, that was the normal State doing what it's supposed to do: preventing presidents from doing something unwise (nuking hurricanes, anyone? Bombing Mexico?), managing stuff as a matter of course rather than running to the President for every little detail, oh, and investigating crimes... he really didn't like that bit.

@Anniegetyourgun Great! I look forward to the debates with Biden.

I’ll just leave these here

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https://www.npr.org/2023/08/31/1196803354/biden-air-force-one-short-stairs

Thanks, but no. She gave interviews to Business Insider and promulgated the theory that the US Government could and SHOULD just keep printing money as in Modern Monetary Theory-

Business Insider: Ocasio-Cortez recently said during an interview with Business Insider that she was “absolutely” open to supporting MMT as a means to fund social programs – like Medicare-for-all and free college tuition. Ocasio-Cortez has also proposed a sweeping climate change proposal called the Green New Deal, which one group estimated could end up costing $93 trillion. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, (D-N.Y.), told Business Insider last month the notion that the government needn’t worry about balancing its books should be “a larger part of our conversation.”

FDR is considered one of the most influential Presidents in our history - from a wheelchair.

I'm not going to sink to your level with the even more clips of Trump's bumbling physicality - you only have to look at the two men to see who is more fit.

More importantly, Biden is more qualified, more globally respected, has accomplished far more, and is a far more decent human being.

If he gets the nomination and nothing legal stops him running, and Biden is his opponent, I am 99% sure DT will win. Biden has lost a ton of support from people who were floating voters, huge amounts of the Hispanic vote have shifted away from the Democrats, even since the last election (and also black men to some extent) and Biden is just deeply unpopular.

Tbh I think the Republicans would probably do even better with someone besides DT, but there is a lot of feeling that Biden has screwed things up.

Nor me. It's baffling

Ok 👍

Yes, Crimea happened a decade ago but the latest escalation of the Ukraine Russia conflict started on Bidens watch.

America centres itself in everything. They'd be better off staying out of things. So would we really!

What Trump did succeed in doing was reducing the number of legal immigrants, not illegals.

And Biden does not have an "open border" policy. The border is policed under him just as it was under Trump, though with fewer abductions of small children to put them up for adoption after "losing" their paperwork so their birth-parents will be unable to find them.

WOW, did you actually post that with a straight face? So, so wrong.