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Found out landlord is probably doing some kind of fraud?

139 replies

LolaMacbeth · 11/01/2024 00:12

Right, I want to be very quick on details. Sorry posting it here but wanted atleast someone to reply.

I've rented for 2 years now Assured shorthold agreement, periodic.

The landlord always receives letters in her name on my adress. I found it weird so started to send them back.

After a while she contacts me saying for me to not send them back, to just let them be sent to my adress no explanation as to why.

Fast foward some disputes we've had with repairs and other things. I now finally found out that these letters are from the lender, of her mortgage. The one she has on this property.

I didn't open them but I started to get curious and put a light against one them. It even reads the exact amount that she pays for mortgage and on going rates.

I went to the registry and it says this property is a freehold too.

Why would she receive such important letters in this adress? Why not hers? Why insist in these being sent here, she doesn't live here.

Should I try and clarify it?
Should I speak of this to the solicitor ( going for unlawful raise of rent refusal to repairs of structure of the property and other things)

OP posts:
user1497207191 · 11/01/2024 15:23

Just continue returning to sender with a note "not at this address" written on it.

She's definitely doing something dodgy, probably not got permission to let from her lender or not got proper landlord's property insurance, so trying to make out it continues to be where she lives. Maybe she's even evading tax by not declaring the rent and claiming she lives there to avoid paying capital gains tax on eventual sale.

MCOut · 11/01/2024 15:26

The time you are taking and money you are contemplating spending, digging into affairs which are not your own, sound like they would be much better spent on securing new housing.

Time2Rise · 11/01/2024 15:26

LolaMacbeth · 11/01/2024 13:53

For the people that asked about the license. This was implemented in England not long ago I think. But certain areas of a county for instance will have designated areas that a selective license will come into force to tackle certain issues.

Unfortunately where I live falls into that designated area and all landlords need to apply for a license to continue to rent. And with this comes inspections from the council to properly check if everything is in order and in compliance with the law.

I only knew about this information last year, I actually informed the landlord about it, even tho local councils say tenants have no responsibility on informing the landlord about it its them that need to be on pair with local news and the council contacts landlords as well, but apparently the information they had on her was outdated thats why she never recieved anything either way (so some meddling with adresses for sure with the council too) but she never applied for it therefore renting now illegally.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/selective-licensing-in-the-private-rented-sector-a-guide-for-local-authorities/selective-licensing-in-the-private-rented-sector-a-guide-for-local-authorities

@LolaMacbeth here's some info about getting a Rent Repayment Order if the rental turns out to be unlicensed: https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/legal/housing_conditions/private_sector_enforcement/rent_repayment_orders

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Shelter Legal England - Rent repayment orders - Shelter England

Orders requiring landlords or agents who has committed relevant offences to repay rent or housing benefit/universal credit.

https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/legal/housing_conditions/private_sector_enforcement/rent_repayment_orders

CranfordScones · 11/01/2024 15:37

I've been in a similar situation. Renting for a short time is often acceptable to a mortgage company; they may increase the interest rate for that period.

If you shop her to the bank while you're living there, you risk them saying that you're an unlawful tenant and that you must move out. Is that what you want?

Diamondcurtains · 11/01/2024 15:39

It’s none of your business is it? You live there but it’s still her house.

redalex261 · 11/01/2024 15:58

When due to leave put unopened mortgage letter marked return to sender in envelope, with copy of your first tenancy agreement and covering note to say you have rented property since x date and she is not resident there. Also, send something to HMRC. Chances are she has wrong mortgage, wrong insurance etc. as landlord and is unlikely to be reporting rental income on tax return. Sod her, she is a greedy, unscrupulous landlord and deserves to be pulled up on it - wants rhe benefit of the income with none of the responsibility.

LolaMacbeth · 11/01/2024 16:00

CranfordScones · 11/01/2024 15:37

I've been in a similar situation. Renting for a short time is often acceptable to a mortgage company; they may increase the interest rate for that period.

If you shop her to the bank while you're living there, you risk them saying that you're an unlawful tenant and that you must move out. Is that what you want?

I never said I was going to shop her out. I just wanted to know if telling this to the solicitor would help my case in showing that this is in fact a rogue landlord I'm dealing with.

After reading abit more about this lender and mortgage situation I am not going to tell her I know about it.

For the people saying I need to contact shelter , I have contacted them without response I will keep insisting on the phone calls. The council is aware of the issues. And now the solicitor will as well.

Her letters in fact are just a small issue that I happened to wonder about. The big issues are being dealt with the council and citizens advice was contacted as well.

What I want is to have some rights in this big mess she put us in. Tenants shouldn't be treated this way, let alone a tenant with a vunerable child that she knows about. If finding accommodation was that easy at the moment I would already be out of here beleive me, I do not need this stress at all. 😔

OP posts:
Time2Rise · 12/01/2024 07:24

@LolaMacbeth do check your rental agreement to see if it says anything about forwarding the landlord's mail. My son is in a rental property and his agreement clearly states that any mail for the landlord must be forwarded. I think it is quite common for agreements to include clauses on this.

Ginmonkeyagain · 12/01/2024 07:34

Ha! Anyone who tried to put that in my tenacy agreement would get told to get to fuck! I may do it for a couple of months to be polite but they can set up a Royal Mail redirect service rather than expecting their tenant to do their admin.

Springcleaninginsummer · 12/01/2024 07:50

Diamondcurtains · 11/01/2024 15:39

It’s none of your business is it? You live there but it’s still her house.

Disgusting attitude. Be ashamed of yourself.

BetrayedAuntie · 12/01/2024 10:15

Abitofalark · 11/01/2024 00:31

It's a criminal offence to interfere with post whether that's opening it or failing to send it on...so you could be in trouble for your snooping.

No it isn't. Please do your research before posting nonsense

OP, contact her lender and inform them she doesn't live there. This will affect your credit!

BetrayedAuntie · 12/01/2024 10:17

@Christmasnutcracker IT IS NOT a criminal offence to open somebody else's post!!!!

user1497207191 · 12/01/2024 10:17

redalex261 · 11/01/2024 15:58

When due to leave put unopened mortgage letter marked return to sender in envelope, with copy of your first tenancy agreement and covering note to say you have rented property since x date and she is not resident there. Also, send something to HMRC. Chances are she has wrong mortgage, wrong insurance etc. as landlord and is unlikely to be reporting rental income on tax return. Sod her, she is a greedy, unscrupulous landlord and deserves to be pulled up on it - wants rhe benefit of the income with none of the responsibility.

Nail on the head. Far too many of them about.

BetrayedAuntie · 12/01/2024 10:18

@kisstheblarney Yes it is!

user1497207191 · 12/01/2024 10:19

Time2Rise · 12/01/2024 07:24

@LolaMacbeth do check your rental agreement to see if it says anything about forwarding the landlord's mail. My son is in a rental property and his agreement clearly states that any mail for the landlord must be forwarded. I think it is quite common for agreements to include clauses on this.

Nope, not common at all, and not included in any of the standard "off the shelf" rental agreements often used, even by "professional" estate agents.

Christmasnutcracker · 12/01/2024 10:20

Nail on the head. Far too many of them about.

If private landlords all sell up, have you thought about the consequences?

Housing lists are full.
The remaining private landlords will increase rents substantially as people competing for their rentals.
Homelessness.

That is the reality.

BetrayedAuntie · 12/01/2024 10:20

Time2Rise · 12/01/2024 07:24

@LolaMacbeth do check your rental agreement to see if it says anything about forwarding the landlord's mail. My son is in a rental property and his agreement clearly states that any mail for the landlord must be forwarded. I think it is quite common for agreements to include clauses on this.

Tenancy agreements do not out-power the law! They can put in a tenancy agreement that the OP must not wear red on a Thursday but they cannot evict her if she doesn't as that is unlawful

BetrayedAuntie · 12/01/2024 10:21

*if she does

Kwasi · 12/01/2024 11:06

She probably just doesn't have a buy-to-let mortgage, as rates and deposit are higher.

She's probably breaking the conditions of her mortgage by doing it this way but it's absolutely none of your business.

Springcleaninginsummer · 12/01/2024 11:21

Kwasi · 12/01/2024 11:06

She probably just doesn't have a buy-to-let mortgage, as rates and deposit are higher.

She's probably breaking the conditions of her mortgage by doing it this way but it's absolutely none of your business.

I wish people would stop saying this. The op is not legally entitled to live in the property. She could be evicted without notice. The lender can cancel the mortgage, take ownership of the property and board it up with her possessions inside. That is what the bailiffs said to me when I was in this position.

Ginmonkeyagain · 12/01/2024 11:26

I mean it is the OPs business as the landlord has asked them to continue receiving her post. It is the OPs home for the duration of the tenancy. Why should she had to take possession of and store someone else's personal documents?

Muchof · 12/01/2024 11:28

Springcleaninginsummer · 12/01/2024 11:21

I wish people would stop saying this. The op is not legally entitled to live in the property. She could be evicted without notice. The lender can cancel the mortgage, take ownership of the property and board it up with her possessions inside. That is what the bailiffs said to me when I was in this position.

If the mortgage is still being paid they really really are not going to go to the bother of that. I think you were having your leg pulled.

Christmasnutcracker · 12/01/2024 11:48

Springcleaninginsummer · 12/01/2024 11:21

I wish people would stop saying this. The op is not legally entitled to live in the property. She could be evicted without notice. The lender can cancel the mortgage, take ownership of the property and board it up with her possessions inside. That is what the bailiffs said to me when I was in this position.

The bailiffs were talking nonsense.
They were there because the mortgage was not being paid and the house was repossessed. It was not because the owner had the wrong type of mortgage.

Springcleaninginsummer · 12/01/2024 12:05

But my point is that the mortgage company can do this so people assuring the OP that everything is fine do not k ow that. She needs to know - it is her business.

kisstheblarney · 12/01/2024 12:19

Springcleaninginsummer · 12/01/2024 12:05

But my point is that the mortgage company can do this so people assuring the OP that everything is fine do not k ow that. She needs to know - it is her business.

It's not and "if" the mortgage company - a big if! decided to repossess, the OP would have plenary of warning.

It's a court procedure, they don't kick you out overnight!

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