To vaccinate newborn or not

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I know this is a very sensitive subject, but i’m asking please for FACTS only - I don’t want answers like ‘because the NHS recommends you to vaccinate your baby etc’

Id like to point out i’m not ‘anti vax’ as such, but covid really opened my eyes to researching vaccines etc i’ve done my own research on whether i should be vaccinating my newborn but it’s hard to find unbiased facts.

What I don’t like, is the pressure that is put on us to do as we’re told with our babies. I don’t like the constant reminders, the phone calls and the pressure to vaccinate - it all feels like a box ticking exercise not because the NHS are actually worried about my baby.

Please be kind, I really am confused about this and would love some different perspectives

Well said amylou8.

My eyes are now opened to big pharma and government collusion but I fear people will ‘throw the baby out with the bath water’ and avoid all the safe and effective traditional vaccines as a result.

The Covid vaccinations WERE very well tested. It’s this sort of rhetoric that leads to people like the OP feeling the way she does.

I’m a 40 year old woman who didn’t have to Covid jab. Nearly died and was left in a horizontal position for 6 month unable to walk or look after my kids. I’ve slowly come back but have lots of neurological problems. Everyone else around me had the jab and they were fine.

Everyday I regret not having the jab just because I got caught up with the antivaxers theories which has no scientific back up. My husband really wanted me to have the jab so you can imagine how stupid I felt when this happened to me. What does your husband think about it? To me it’s an absolute no brainer . All my kids are vaccinated, thanks goodness!

My dad was born in the 1940s, he told me kids from school would often just not turn up anymore.... reason? They caught measles and it killed them.

We are so lucky nowadays that we actually don't realise that kids died from these things all the time.

Have you seen Mary Berry's hand? That's because she had polio.

It’s not a money making exercise for the NHS. The NHS has to justify every penny spent, and the effectiveness and cost of the vaccine against the cost of caring for patients ill with said virus is one of the key deciding factors.

I campaigned to get the Menigitus B vaccine available for all in the NHS. Death rate 1 in 10. Many more are left permanently disabled. Close family member died aged 14. One of the final deciding factors was it’s cheaper to vaccinate babies than to support the ones who survived disabled throughout their lives.

Yes there are companies who get rich off making vaccines. Although some vaccines were “donated” to science by the discoverers.

However compare to diabetes. There are companies getting rich off diabetic treatment. However that treatment saves hundreds of thousands of lives.

Whats the big conspiracy then?

You haven’t answered my question from earlier about where people can do reliable and comprehensive research.

It’s not about trust really as somebody pointed out that I had received amazing treatment from
the NHS when i was younger -
which is exactly the kind of reply that is so helpful. I’ve never thought of it like that and it has made me realise there’s no lack of trust.

This is purely a case of falling down rabbit holes and fear of what i’ve read (true or not) has caused me to worry.

Of course you do op, you do not want a baby with any of the illness they vaccinate for and specially not polio

Please vaccinate your baby. They are so vulnerable to illnesses and the vaccines exist to protect not only your precious baby but also the wider community. Have a look at the rise in cases in diseases such as measles where vaccination uptake has dramatically dropped. Measles kills or can leave children with life changing effects.
If you have questions about vaccinations I would rather you went and spoke to either your health visitor or practise nurse about them and find out proper information. But not one health professional is going to suggest anything other than promoting vaccination and I think that in itself speaks volumes.

Absolutely not from me it isn’t and i find it weird you would say that? I haven’t given any facts or numbers myself and have made it very clear i’ve done limited basic research myself? Please
read all my replies for making such accusations

The NHS are really tight when it comes to paying for things. The NHS recommending it is because of the evidence behind those vaccines.

Also please don’t base what you do on how polite people are.

That's the only fact that is needed.

When you say you've done your own research, I presume you haven't submitted a scientific paper and had it peer-reviewed - so no, you haven't, what you mean is you've done what most people think of as 'research' and read some blogs/articles that support your own pre-existing bias.

FWIW, my dad was a consultant anaesthetist and very very strongly pro vaccination. He also had polio as a child (born and raised in sub Saharan Africa) and had a lifetime of health problems that killed him in the end. Vaccinations not only save lives, they save a lot of pain.

Did you Google the effects of diseases that the vaccines protect against?

For every person (very possibly with pre-existing health conidtions that are really the issue) claimign the Covid vaccination damaged them, I refer you to the woman I know who was very severely brain damaged as a 6 yr old as a result of measles. She had a (non-serious) condition which meant she couldn't have the MMR so was reliant on herd immunity. Some parents didn't get their children the MMR based on false science and stupid claims on the internet, so they fell ill, this girl caught the disease and it has destroyed not only her life but the lives of her parents and siblings, who've effectively had to become full-time carers. You don't want this to happen to your child, or to another child. These diseases are serious, that's why vaccines were invented.

Also don’t trust anyone who uses the phrase “big pharma” no serious informed person calls it that lmao. It’s your red flag that indicates a conspiracy theory.

The pharmaceutical industry is not perfect but a lot of the criticism is just over-exaggerated, over-generalised or just plain ignorant.

Agreed its scientific research that proves this and that is why NHS explains this is the recommendation

A small number of people suffered serious side effects from the covid vaccines. A much, much larger number of people suffered serious effects from covid.

No vaccine is guaranteed 100% safe but the risks of the vaccine are minimal and are massively lower than the risks of having the disease.

Fwiw I have had all my covid vaccines (healthcare worker) and I also paid privately for the chickenpox vaccine for my child in addition to the vaccinations given on the NHS.

The problem is you're asking questions that make no sense.

It's like... Let remove vaccines and replace them with seatbelts and baby seats cars.

You're questioning whether you should put your child in a baby in a car seat.when driving. Every bit of research shows that baby is far safer strapped into that rear facing car seat.

And now your looking for research to help you decide if this is actually the case, because you read about one person who put their kids in forward facing seats, and a couple of people said "well, I put my babies forward facing,and they were fine!X and one person who says"I just held my baby in my Arms, and she never got hurt " and all your googling isn't supporting the view you're trying to find.

Why can't you find it? Because decades of research across the world shows that, your baby is safest in.a securely and correctly fitted rear facing car seat.

You'll never find any actual credible evidence to say "out your baby on your lap/forward face your baby " because there is none.

Just the same with vaccines. Because it's absolutely the right thing to do.

I'd also remind you the NHS is not giving Covid vaccinations to anyone except the vulnerable and the over-65s now, despite the fact it's still rampant. They only give out vaccinations when it's essential.

The only statistic I needed is that our children are less likely to die if vaccinated.

We're so lucky to live in a country where the health service take an active roll in dealing with preventable childhood diseases.

The whole 'I don't like being told what to do with my/my child's body' angle completely sidelines how effective vaccines have been in this country at making babies safer.

This.

I have an immunosuppressed dd, even with the vaccines something as simple as flu could kill her. Without the vaccine the risk increases a thousand fold.

Why would you not do everything possible to protect your child?

I think YABU but I totally get where you are coming from. I am very pro vaccine and will take anything that’s offered for both my kids and I if it means we can prevent any sort of lurg. That being said I don’t think there is one vaccine that my kids have had that I haven’t thought twice about. I think that is just normal. Our children are so precious it would be mad just to go and blindly have them jabbed with things and not worry that they might be that one kid that reacts or that something might happen. I always tell myself that the NHS advice to vaccinate is based on overwhelming evidence that experts have reviewed.
I also think asking Mnet for medical advice isn’t the best. Maybe worth a chat with HV who I am sure have had to reassure plenty of parents on this sort of thing and will be able to point you in a better direction of what to research/look at.

The MMR protects against rubella....it's really important especially for girls to be vaccinated against this. When they get older and go on to have their own children, rubella can be extremely dangerous during pregnancy