Sacked for using 'N' word

[Horrace]

I don't know how to copy link sorry but has anyone been following the story of the Lloyd's bank manager who was sacked for asking a relevant question in a so called anti racism training session by his employers but in his question he used the full 'N' word.
His question I believe was how would he be expected to deal with black employees or customers speaking to each other using that word.
The trainer was so offended by the word, she had to take 5 days off work. However, he got sacked.
He has since been awarded £500,00 but no apology from Lloyd's and no job back.
As far as we know, the ridiculous incompetent trainer is still employed.

I am close to this story but afraid to say how.
But will say that I'm losing sleep and furious more and more at this bank.

If you go back and read that conversation you'll find I wasn't talking about the tribunal. Someone asked if I thought it should be illegal. I said no but its reasonable you'd lose your job.

The bloke was found to have been discriminated against owing to his disability, not because what he said was alright. The tribunal thought what he said amounted to misconduct, just not gross misconduct

This!!

No, what I am saying is it's not heard of in this country. I have never heard black people use it. I can't speak for Americans.

How many young black people do you know? Because everyone at school said it.

Unbelievable that the trainer had to take five days of work, they were so upset. Pathetic.

Carl Borg-Neal also had this to say, which made me roll my eyes a lot:

"I feel very discriminated against,” he said. “I often wonder if I wasn’t a white middle-aged male would I have had to go through everything I went through. There is no way of telling. But when I talk to my friends – and as you can imagine a good many are white, middle-aged and male – we all agree that is the worst thing you can be right now. You are bottom of everything.”

What an idiot.

So I'm sitting here watching an episode of 'Ghost' on Netflix where every black person is calling the other this word, either in a friendly or deeply unfriendly way. It happens in every episode for about five seasons of the show. Should I be clutching my pearls and taking time off work? The actors are obviously not offended, possibly.

You want a picture of my family and yes I know it's used in schools. I removed my daughter because of the racism she was getting it was very upsetting. The school did deal with the children but the damage was done. I removed her from the school and homeschooled.

But they aren’t the same word.

N (hard R) is a racist slur
N (soft A) is an evolution that approximately equates to ‘mate’ but with a race (not racist) element to it.

Do your aforementioned racists want to start using the word to refer to their mates? I don’t think so.

So they actually want the right to use N (hard R) - which is, as discussed, a racial slur.

I’m totally ok with them being told this is entirely inappropriate. Is it going to make them more racist? Maybe, but those kinds of people will find any old excuse so whatever.

Context matters, stop being so stupid. If that word is so offensive why use it so much then. The would c%*t is offensive but you don't see women using it everyday.

Boondocks 😂😂😂

That's the attitude that will stop conversation ignorance.

I did. And it is.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/9/2010-10-01#:~:text=(a)a%20reference%20to%20a,of%20the%20same%20racial%20group.

I use it most days to be honest.

I think some women do use it in an attempt to reclaim it, but it's not worked.
It's a term of horrific misogynistic abuse.

Sorry but he knew full well what he was doing by asking 'What if my black co workers or black customer's say n**ger' - let's not all pretend to be dense.

He knew and you know full well there was absolutely no need to use that word in it's entirety and he/you/other people using 'whataboutism' here to make it seem like a white person saying the N word is okay is weird. Why does he/you want to say it so bad? I can put my bets on it that no part of the standard diversity and inclusion training that any finance company or bank does would have gone into that much depth that he felt so compelled to make that statement and use that word. The trainer was probably in shock because he was negging her and dropped the N word out of nowhere in a professional setting.

The bloke who got sacked shouldn't have used the word, there was no need to. He could have asked the question without using it. I think he might have been spoiling for a fight. The trainer should not be training if she had to take 5 days off after hearing the word - utterly pathetic.

He didn't even apply it to work he just asked how he should react when people do it in rap music

"At a relevant point during one of the race education training sessions, which
was discussing intent vs effect, the claimant asked how he should handle a
situation where he heard someone from an ethnic minority use a word that might
be considered offensive if used by someone not within that minority. The
claimant was thinking partly about rap music. When he did not get an immediate
response from the trainer, he added, ‘The most common example being use of
the N word in the black community’. Unfortunately the claimant used the full word
rather than the abbreviation."

The question is not in good faith imo

Why just white people? If the word is offensive it is always offensive whatever the colour of the speaker's skin. Bit racist to think other than that, surely?
I find racists unpleasant but referring to a word in context, rather than going round the houses with silly euphemism when precision is needed, is not racist. Man should not have been sacked and it seems the tribunal agrees.

Why would you suppose that? Perhaps he wanted to be clear, to say what was being said in his branch? It does not matter what colour the people are if they are being offensive.

Why? Are you suggesting colour has something to do with being racist or offensive? It doesn't. I have met as many racist black or brown people as white (more, come to think of it).

This. The actual word is so deeply offensive that everyone avoids using it.

It was a descriptive, non misogynistic word long before - and for longer - than it has held misogynist connotations. Vagina comes from ‘sword sheath’ - I’d much rather use cunt than have my bits named for their purpose to men. Germaine Greer did an interesting piece on the BBC about it as part of balderdash & piffle.

perhaps the reason it remains so offensive is actually because (men?) want to try and minimise its power by attaching a notion of shame.

This is an environment/context thing. If you work in a school in a large city you hear black young people calling each other the N word on an hourly basis! They are proud to do it because it's been 'reclaimed' and is assocaited with cool rap/grime artists - what they say and think, I am not saying I agree. You are all leading very shletered lives if you find this in any way surprising. I am sure most young men grow out of it and other actually offensive words and slurs (I hear school boys saying 'that's gay' still, which I find sad and they call girls 'ho, bitch, slag etc ALL the time). But I can only repeat that the black/mixed race boys and Asian/mixed race boys calling each other N and P word that I hear on a regular basis are not actually using them as expletives or insults. They are deliberately edgy but friendly greetings now in these contexts, whether we as older people from a different context agree with, or like it, or not.

Granted, most of them will probably/hopefully grow out of it or tone it down when they start working or are in the workplace. But the fact remains that in a public facing role, such as a bank, or a McDonalds, you are fairly like to hear customers or staff using those words in that non slur/expletive manner so how to deal with it was surely a valid question from this bloke, whether or not he is nice/a dick or actually a racist, or not. I mean what if he'd been an Asian man or a mixed race woman asking the question? Are we convinced that every non-white, non male would have said N word and not the full word after being asked to clarify? Isn't context the key and teaching people how to react appropriately. So if I hear 2 black boys in McDonalds saying 'hey N get me some fries bro' I'm not going to call the police, but if I hear someone in a meeting saying 'I'm not working with that P word' then I report it to HR.

I dont think you can blanket ban these words in all situations anymore unfortunately as they have become so nuanced. I mean I find the C word just as offensive, personally and that also has 100s of years of dicscrimination behind it and I literally just heard a bloke call his mate a silly C word for dropping a box of shopping in tescos carpark.

This thread is disgusting. Are white people seriously feeling left out because they can't say it?

And do people seriously think racist people aren't already saying it? Or that telling them they can will suddenly bridge racial division ?

White women are so fucking lucky and ignorant on here. You have no clue what it is deal with racism. To have your kid come home from primary school having had people say that to them.

Having a man walk by you and your toddler son and scream it in your face.

There is so much ignorance here it's gross.

All of you wanting to say it but claiming you're not racist, are deluding yourselves.

It's a word once used to make black people feel inhuman. To justify lynchings. To justify slavery and rape of black women.

Be thankful that word is just a word to you. It means a helluva a lot more to the rest of us.

I actually don't want to say the word, and I don't want my kids to either, even on their own. Each time you say it, it will lose some of the stigma in your mind, and it will be easier to say it again. It's a horrible word.

And I'm actually pretty open-minded in life in general. There are just a few lines that I think shouldn't be crossed, even in private.