Sacked for using 'N' word

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I don't know how to copy link sorry but has anyone been following the story of the Lloyd's bank manager who was sacked for asking a relevant question in a so called anti racism training session by his employers but in his question he used the full 'N' word.
His question I believe was how would he be expected to deal with black employees or customers speaking to each other using that word.
The trainer was so offended by the word, she had to take 5 days off work. However, he got sacked.
He has since been awarded £500,00 but no apology from Lloyd's and no job back.
As far as we know, the ridiculous incompetent trainer is still employed.

I am close to this story but afraid to say how.
But will say that I'm losing sleep and furious more and more at this bank.

To me it speaks volumes as to the likelihood of him mis-speaking owing to disinhibition or him just being an antagonistic wanker who knew what he was doing

This thread is actually the first time I've ever come across anyone referring to words by their initial outside primary school, when some children would go, "ooh I'm telling, he used the [x/y/z]-word!"

I wouldn't use such words myself, but certainly if one comes up in conversation I'd say it rather than use its initial (though of course I'd avoid saying it once it was clear which word we were referring to). I'd never heard of words being absolute unsayables, rather than their use being offensive, before.

On the basis that the training session is quoted in detail throughout the judgment, the tribunal clearly had access to a recording (they are recorded as standard these days) and the Tribunal judges did not pick this up - in fact, they expressly said that his comments were not spoken with any malice. Again, I’d suggest read the flipping judgment before labelling a person an ‘antagonistic wanker’. I think your comment says more about you than it does him.

I do not accept that there is any word that cannot be used in the right context, not least a discussion of the word.

When you say it is never acceptable are you saying for anyone or just white people? If the latter can you not see how having different standards for different races risks division and more racism?

The tribunal explicitly says that the training was deleted, despite the claimant asking for it as evidence (page 21 says that the head of the training company investigated why, so presumably it was from the organiser's side), and the evidence in front of them is witness statements and hearsay.

Oops @zendeveloper I missed that when I read it! (It was late last night.) However, clearly the witness statements did not refer to his being antagonistic, so my over all point still stands?

I'm white and I don't think that word should be used by white people. It's a word that was appropriated by the black community in defiance of being called it by racists amongst white people.

Just out of interested if the students are reading allowed to the rest of the class would it be acceptable for them to read it allowed or should they censor what they say

Yes, it looks like the witness statements are all in his favour. I can see why the tribunal might be somewhat skeptical in a situation where a crucial piece of evidence is deleted when a gross misconduct investigation is ongoing, and it is the accused party who repeatedly asks the internal investigators to add it to the case. And then, the person who was off ill due to being traumatised by the event does not want to give evidence (ok, which can be understandable), but neither do two other trainers from the same company who were present in the same training meeting but did not suffer adverse consequences.

Deleted for pointing out the colour of a sewing thread in the 1960s. Without mentioning the actual word.

Some very sensitive flowers about today. Historical context is important to understand.

Mods need to get a grip. Pathetic.

You are a mile off here.

He’s shown the system up for being total nonsense. The only reason he’s got a huge payout is because of the absurdity of the matter.

Many colleagues will be thrilled for him that he’s won. They just can’t say so publicly and in many ways that’s the reason why he got so much cash. The whole reaction and resolution is ridiculously disproportionate but I’m afraid that’s where we are as a society.

It won’t be long before someone receives a life changing payout for being erroneously hounded out of a job for using incorrect pronouns.

We appear to have lost any semblance at proportionality. Every issue is fought at the extremes which is crazy.

You didn't read it very far if you didn't notice the recordings have been deleted

He's 59 years old he should know better but he's from Hampshire. I have friends with dyslexia who wouldn't dream of using that word because they are 1 not racist and 2 cultured. He's ignorant and uncultured and he got caught out that's why he lost his job. If you respond with well he won of course he did racism exists in the public services.

He’s shown the system up for being total nonsense. The only reason he’s got a huge payout is because of the absurdity of the matter.

Just in respect of the magnitude of the payout, I don't think it is miles off from fair.
He got 480K total, 160K of which I understand goes to his lawyers. He will pay tax on the remainder of it, leaving him net around £190K in the best case. He is unlikely to be employable any more after a loud case like that in a similar role, so the money is there to compensate for the lost income for a couple of years and missed pension contributions and other possible employment perks. I don't think it is ridiculously high tbh.

Are you American or British?

How did the N-word slur pertain to that group?

Conveniently deleted. Sounds like a hush up.

Err did you miss the part where I said 'If you respond with well he won of course he did racism exists in the public services.'

So they payout is because of racism?

Do you think it encourages racial harmony having a word that white people cannot use even if it is in a private chat about the use of the word, whilst a proportion of black people (esp USA to be fair, but brits see these black american speech and tweet) use it as freely as "mate" or "bro"?

I am not advocating that white start using the word, nor am I going to tell a minority that they can;t reclaim a slur. But I am going to say that the current situation is ridiculous and more likely to stoke racism than a circumstance where it was acceptable for white people to use it certain very specific contexts and black people tended to try to avoid using it because it can be perceived as hypocritical to do something whilst telling others not to.

The kind of white people who want to use the n word aren't interested on racial harmony.

I am not advocating that white start using the word, nor am I going to tell a minority that they can;t reclaim a slur.

It sounds a bit like you are. * *

Did you not know there was racism in the police force, fire services or from our judges???

It all started with Christopher Columbus and that's when the fuckery began. It started in England our history is dreadful and we still haven't learned.

Christopher Columbus was not British.

I am not racist and I want the right to use the same words as black people as a matter of principle and so that I can use the N-word when conversing about the n-word.

I am not advocating that white start using the word, nor am I going to tell a minority that they can't reclaim a slur. That is what I said and that is what I meant. I am perfectly capable of wanting things to change whilst not specifically advocating for specific parts of that change.

I am saying that the status quo risks stoking racial division (how do you think it makes a stupid racist feel to be told he cannot use a word whilst he listens to rappers use it constantly on mainstream radio? Do you think he is likely to become even more angry and racist? I do)