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Parents anxiety / refusing to help themselves

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Needanap82 · 29/12/2023 09:44

Hi all, I haven’t posted much on here before. Sorry it's a bit long.
Context: Currently 7 months pregnant with my second child, also have a 4 year old DS. Parents are in their mid-70's, and live about 100 miles away. Dad has a rare type of ataxia which over the years has affected his mobility, and can also make him quite tired on some days. He refuses to use a mobility scooter so he can get out and about more, but is clearly depressed. He can still drive at the moment though. Mum is healthy, but more and more has to care for Dad as his illness gets worse, but overall he can still manage day to day. She often gets frustrated at him not leaving the house unless they're going in the car, and understandably feels trapped. However, also does nothing to take (what I see as) the pressure off him e.g. when driving down to visit me and my family. She complains that his awareness when driving is getting worse, but she never offers to share the load, as she hates motorway driving, but makes the excuse that Dad won't 'let' her, which I think is rubbish.
So with second child on the way, we have moved our DS into our second larger bedroom and his original room will be the nursery. It's too small even for a single bed, so parents have booked a hotel 10 min away whilst they visit for a few days this week. They've stayed at a hotel a couple of times previously, on the same road as the one where they're staying this time, so have driven the route to ours from that location loads of times. They have an old Garmin sat nav which they use sometimes, but for some bizarre reason, not when they get lost. It also doesn't have real time updates on routes.
About 18 months ago they visited and stayed in a hotel, same location as this time. On their way back one evening, the usual route was closed. It's a small town so the alternative route would have been easy to find if they'd used their sat nav. They didn't. Instead, they called me at about 11pm after driving around in circles and asked me to come out in my car so I could show them where to go and they could follow me to the hotel in their car. Which I did. About a year before, they had insisted that me or my partner do the same thing, 'because it was dark and they didn't know where they were going. ' we had just had our first DS and were shattered new parents. It is pretty much a straight road from ours to the hotel, but they refused to use their sat nav.
So this time, before booking the hotel, my mum asked for suggestions of others that are nearer, as she was anxious about something similar happening with roads being closed at night. I gave her a link to a B&B recommended by a friend which is 5 mins away, which they booked. She then announced last week that they had cancelled that and were going back to the original hotel location as they 'didn't like the sound of that B&B and didn't know where they would park.' My dad has a blue badge so can park pretty much anywhere. I visited them about a week ago and my mum was still flapping about finding their way to the hotel. I said she just needed to use google maps, and she scowled and said 'why?'
So they arrived on Wednesday, stopped at ours for a few hours, and sure enough when it was time to go to the hotel, they asked my DP to get in his car and show them how to get there, with them following in their car. I wasn't in the room at the time, and was livid when DP told me. Tbf, he said he offered, but expected them to say no, as they have been there so many times.
Yesterday, they were with us most of the day, and left early evening. During the afternoon, I sat in their car with my mum and set up her phone via the Android app so they could get google maps on screen. Walked her through how to access it. Sent her the same basic instructions to her phone. As I've set it up, it will automatically connect when she's in the car, so just need to select the maps function. She said 'oh great, this is good, we can practice using it when when we get back home next week.' I said, 'well you could use it this evening on the way back to the hotel, as you already know where you're going.' She didn't reply.
Time for them to leave in the evening, DP mentioned that the previous evening they clearly knew where they were going, as my dad was signalling for turns even before DP did. They literally told us what the route was, and said yeah yeah we know where we're going. They left before dinner as dad was very tired. Mum had mentioned to me that her night vision is not great, but dad's is worse.
10 mins after they left, my mum rang the doorbell. Said they got lost. Missed a turning. DP had answered the door. He said but you've got the sat nav, you could have just used it. Mum apparently turned her nose up and said 'I'm not using that.' DP explained the directions again and they went. He is 1000x more patient than me, but even he was flabbergasted. Also, my dad was driving. Why not mum if he was that tired and his night vision is even worse than hers?

When DP told me what happened, my heart sank. I do not understand the refusal to do something so basic, and instead constantly expect us to mollycoddle them. I have a difficult relationship with them as it is, I'm always stressed when they visit as we rarely go anywhere unless it's in the car because of dad's mobility, and they rarely listen to anything I say to try and help them, or suggest I'm being disrespectful if I get frustrated with them. But it's tiring, and I feel it's unreasonable to have this palava every time they visit. Baby is due early March, they will always need to stay in a hotel from now on as we don't have the room. Will they expect us to keep 'showing them the way' every time they visit? The ridiculous thing is they use the internet loads and both have smart phones, so it's not like they are totally in the dark ages! AIBU?

OP posts:
Janiie · 29/12/2023 17:03

'We also don't mind picking up/dropping off actually, it's the (what I see as ridiculous) use of 2 cars just for them to find their way back.'

It isn't ridiculous if they are struggling with it whether you approve or not.

UnbeatenMum · 29/12/2023 17:17

I think it would help to view it as 'can't' rather than 'won't'. I found this helpful with my late grandmother when her behaviour didn't make sense or she seemed to be refusing to do things and later on she was diagnosed with dementia and previous things made a lot more sense. So if they can't use a sat nav and can't remember the route then you can problem solve it together. But as PPs have suggested it doesn't really sound like they should be driving at night anyway.

EmmaEmerald · 29/12/2023 17:34

Janiie · 29/12/2023 17:03

'We also don't mind picking up/dropping off actually, it's the (what I see as ridiculous) use of 2 cars just for them to find their way back.'

It isn't ridiculous if they are struggling with it whether you approve or not.

Exactly. Where is the recognition that they are struggling?

And I wonder if it would be the same judgement as "ridiculous" if they were taking a cab because they wanted a drink.

My father died at 79 and seemed Tigger lively and well till about a year before. But there were quite a few deficits before he got diagnosed and those are just the ones I know about.

If anyone knows Bank Junction, with the 9 turnings, he missed an exit there at night and was so thrown, it took him more than an hour to get his bearings. I think he would have been 76. And he knew that junction like the back of his hand. I had to reassure him he wasn't foolish because all the hoardings and work there does change how you see it.

So I completely see how OP parents can be thrown by a road closure, or not recognise a route that they have done before. That problem can come for people long before their 70s.

I know there are lots of people who are completely 100% thriving in their mid 70s but I really don't think we should hold that up as yet another too high expectation for people to meet.

Jackfrostnippingatmynose · 29/12/2023 17:35

I had exactly this with my DF. Sorry to say it was the start of his dementia and also highlighted problems with night vision/cataracts (he was 67). He became unable to setup or follow a satnav, had trouble driving at night or if the route changed unexpectedly and he had to react quickly, and this progressed to getting lost even on familiar journeys. DM didn't want to complain about his driving as she didn't want to lose their independence. He and DM were in total denial and by the time he finally agreed to ask for help he had stopped driving as he was too scared to do so.

We set them up with an account with a local taxi firm and did all the driving when we met with them.

bakewellbride · 29/12/2023 20:09

This whole thing is alien to me. When our MIL comes to visit we want to look after her. Dh drives for hours to pick her up and we insist on paying for her hotel. She'll try to offer to pay but we insist. We feed her and treat her like a much loved guest. She's mid fifties and in perfect health, the horror!

Fwiw it sounds like neither of them should be driving as too unsafe.

I hope when I am older my kids have a more positive attitude to me and dh coming to visit.

Lotrehin · 29/12/2023 20:16

OP I think your parents are starting to reach the life stage where they just can't do what they used to. Happens to us all. I know it's difficult to deal with for everyone but this is going to happen increasingly and it won't get better. I'm sorry.

It sounds like they shouldn't be driving at all. If you want to see them you'll have to go to them. And yes that's hard when you've got young kids but they're not safe on the road and safety is non negotiable.

Frustrating as it is try to stay calm. This isn't easy for them either. It's not like you get an instruction manual.

Bubbles254 · 29/12/2023 20:28

Neither of my sets of grandparents who are in their 70s drive to see us anymore. My Dad also has ataxia and is not able to drive long distances and my Mum does not want to/feel confident driving long distances. My MILs eye sight is not good enough for her to feel confident driving long distances and my FIL who is in his 80s does not want to stay overnight or drive the distance in a single day.

We normally book an airbnb when we visit grandparents which also means we are not tied to their schedules/activities.

I would feel grateful if my parents were making the effort to visit and book a hotel and would not begrudge them any extra support needed to get to their hotel.

FoxClocks · 29/12/2023 20:28

Maybe now is the time to think about whether your parents could move closer to you. That way you would be able to visit each other without these long drives, and if they do have to give up driving it will be a lot easier.

Consider somewhere with a community so that your mum will be able to make some friends and not be so bored if your dad doesn't feel like going out.

I know they are only in their 70s but given your dad's health and your mum's mental health, it sounds like moving into some accommodation with facilities aimed at older people might be helpful.

TrentCrimmOfTheIndependent · 29/12/2023 20:37

My parents are late 70s and like this now. So we give them lifts or they use public transport or Ubers. They struggle with tech so satnavs wouldn’t help.

i think we can underestimate the effects of ageing. Doctor friends have said that the first things to go are your knees, memory and confidence and that’s def true with my parents.

Up to you what you do, and I can feel very irritated by my parents, but I think this driving thing is not necessarily them being lazy or unwilling to try, but genuinely stressed and unable to do the drive themselves.

bozzabollix · 29/12/2023 20:49

I’m a driving instructor so see people fresh and new to it. Regarding Sat navs, they do add another layer of complexity if you’re not a competent driver. I get how you don’t see that, I didn’t until starting my job, but it’s likely that your parents just can’t manage the additional load.

Ditto with unfamiliar places. The amount of learners I teach who will drive through places their parents have told them it’s too difficult to navigate is a large percentage, and these are middle aged parents. Don’t underestimate how much avoidance the average driver does.

Basically taxis are needed, but I think calling your husband was a way of them feeling less anxious for the journey. Frustrating for you I know. Your parents getting old comes very fast and it’s a shock.

14Q · 29/12/2023 21:09

Santaisscouringindeedfornewjob · 29/12/2023 10:51

Op and her dh have their own lives and soon a dc. They aren't in a position to be on hand chauffeurs nor should they be.

"It's too small even for a single bed, so parents have booked a hotel 10 min away whilst they visit for a few days this week"

The hotel is TEN MINUTES AWAY. I do t understand the insistence for the OP or her husband to give the parents a lift. A 20 minute journey is nothing. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Cattiwampus · 29/12/2023 22:02

@FoxClocks
Maybe now is the time to think about whether your parents could move closer to you.

😂 Why on earth would they move from their home, friends and familiar community to be with a daughter like the OP? For whom 20 minutes of driving is an imposition? Let alone them becoming more needy as they age.
Perhaps they could stay where they are, and the youngsters could move.
Or maybe not.

EmmaEmerald · 29/12/2023 22:05

14Q · 29/12/2023 21:09

"It's too small even for a single bed, so parents have booked a hotel 10 min away whilst they visit for a few days this week"

The hotel is TEN MINUTES AWAY. I do t understand the insistence for the OP or her husband to give the parents a lift. A 20 minute journey is nothing. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm guessing this is the kind of attitude that people had when they are shocked by the death of a parent in 70s. Like they had no awareness of them ageing!

Also OP, worth keeping in mind they won't necessarily tell you all their health problems.

I am not of the school of "one day they'll die and you'll be sorry" - no, many will be fine and quite relieved. I've already had a nervous breakdown dealing with one and am relieved for myself, and dad, that he didn't get older.

But the lack of awareness of varying health and age issues on this thread is quite something.

14Q · 29/12/2023 22:22

@EmmaEmerald
14Q
It's too small even for a single bed, so parents have booked a hotel 10 min away whilst they visit for a few days this week"
The hotel is TEN MINUTES AWAY. I do t understand the insistence for the OP or her husband to give the parents a lift. A 20 minute journey is nothing🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm guessing this is the kind of attitude that people had when they are shocked by the death of a parent in 70s. Like they had no awareness of them ageing!

Also OP, worth keeping in mind they won't necessarily tell you all their health problems.

I am not of the school of "one day they'll die and you'll be sorry" - no, many will be fine and quite relieved. I've already had a nervous breakdown dealing with one and am relieved for myself, and dad, that he didn't get older.
But the lack of awareness of varying health and age issues on this thread is quite something

Aghhh! Sorry I see I had a typo in my post. I meant to say that "I don't understand the RELUCTANCE for the OP or her husband to give her parents a lift"🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️. Expecting them to get a taxi for such a short trip seems silly.

Fionaville · 29/12/2023 22:33

Your parents are a lot less capable now than you think they are. They are getting lost on a straight road. Do you think they came back to your house at night because they want to inconvenience you?
They are old. They need help, patience and understanding. It perhaps not that they are 'refusing to help themselves' and more that they cant help themselves, but just don't want to admit to how fully their facilities have deteriorated.

OrganicCamomileTea · 29/12/2023 22:43

Needanap82 · 29/12/2023 10:32

Train to ours would mean a 3.5 hr journey (vs 2hr in car), via London, including changing train stations from one part of central london to the other. With dad's mobility issues it would be really tiring for them.

If they're 2 hours away, could you or your DH go and pick them up? Drive to their house in the morning, have lunch there (or lunch out) then drive them to yours in the afternoon.

They're clearly nervous about driving, especially at night. That's not going to miraculously get better: they will only get older and less able than they are now, so there needs to be a workable management plan for future visits.

The alternative is that they no longer come to you, but you go to visit them instead, perhaps just for the day.

Jackfrostnippingatmynose · 30/12/2023 10:12

I understand that you have a young DC and are pregnant, tired and wrapped up in your own busy lives, but I really think you have your head in the sand about your parents deteriorating health and capabilities, which will sadly worsen. Your dad already has a blue badge and cant walk far - thats not goinv to improve. They live a way away from you so presumably they're not involved in your childcare? You don't mention siblings so are you their only child?
Many of us on here have been thrust into being the sandwich generation and I think a calm discussion needs to be had soon with all you about expectations around the short term future. Sorry to be negative but issues with transport may be the tip of the iceberg.

Tacotortoise · 30/12/2023 10:20

Maybe you should turn it on its head @Needanap82 ? Despite mobility difficulties, difficulties in using technology and having to pay for a hotel they are still willing to give up their time to visit their complaining, unwelcoming daughter. They're good people, you should be grateful. And very soon they'll not be able to visit at all so you'll be golden.

loggerheads · 30/12/2023 10:22

I appreciate it's frustrating but if it's just 5 minutes away, it'd be easier to give them a lift or let them follow one of you. Your dad has a declining health condition and your mum feels anxious about driving and presumably some forms of technology. Things can change when we get older and the stuff that feels 'normal' to other people might induce panic and stress in others.

In the grand scheme, I'd say it's a minor inconvenience. Frustrating yes but I think if I was in my 70s with a serious health issue, I'd be delighted if my kids could cut me a bit of slack particularly in areas that health has stolen from me.

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