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Parents anxiety / refusing to help themselves

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Needanap82 · 29/12/2023 09:44

Hi all, I haven’t posted much on here before. Sorry it's a bit long.
Context: Currently 7 months pregnant with my second child, also have a 4 year old DS. Parents are in their mid-70's, and live about 100 miles away. Dad has a rare type of ataxia which over the years has affected his mobility, and can also make him quite tired on some days. He refuses to use a mobility scooter so he can get out and about more, but is clearly depressed. He can still drive at the moment though. Mum is healthy, but more and more has to care for Dad as his illness gets worse, but overall he can still manage day to day. She often gets frustrated at him not leaving the house unless they're going in the car, and understandably feels trapped. However, also does nothing to take (what I see as) the pressure off him e.g. when driving down to visit me and my family. She complains that his awareness when driving is getting worse, but she never offers to share the load, as she hates motorway driving, but makes the excuse that Dad won't 'let' her, which I think is rubbish.
So with second child on the way, we have moved our DS into our second larger bedroom and his original room will be the nursery. It's too small even for a single bed, so parents have booked a hotel 10 min away whilst they visit for a few days this week. They've stayed at a hotel a couple of times previously, on the same road as the one where they're staying this time, so have driven the route to ours from that location loads of times. They have an old Garmin sat nav which they use sometimes, but for some bizarre reason, not when they get lost. It also doesn't have real time updates on routes.
About 18 months ago they visited and stayed in a hotel, same location as this time. On their way back one evening, the usual route was closed. It's a small town so the alternative route would have been easy to find if they'd used their sat nav. They didn't. Instead, they called me at about 11pm after driving around in circles and asked me to come out in my car so I could show them where to go and they could follow me to the hotel in their car. Which I did. About a year before, they had insisted that me or my partner do the same thing, 'because it was dark and they didn't know where they were going. ' we had just had our first DS and were shattered new parents. It is pretty much a straight road from ours to the hotel, but they refused to use their sat nav.
So this time, before booking the hotel, my mum asked for suggestions of others that are nearer, as she was anxious about something similar happening with roads being closed at night. I gave her a link to a B&B recommended by a friend which is 5 mins away, which they booked. She then announced last week that they had cancelled that and were going back to the original hotel location as they 'didn't like the sound of that B&B and didn't know where they would park.' My dad has a blue badge so can park pretty much anywhere. I visited them about a week ago and my mum was still flapping about finding their way to the hotel. I said she just needed to use google maps, and she scowled and said 'why?'
So they arrived on Wednesday, stopped at ours for a few hours, and sure enough when it was time to go to the hotel, they asked my DP to get in his car and show them how to get there, with them following in their car. I wasn't in the room at the time, and was livid when DP told me. Tbf, he said he offered, but expected them to say no, as they have been there so many times.
Yesterday, they were with us most of the day, and left early evening. During the afternoon, I sat in their car with my mum and set up her phone via the Android app so they could get google maps on screen. Walked her through how to access it. Sent her the same basic instructions to her phone. As I've set it up, it will automatically connect when she's in the car, so just need to select the maps function. She said 'oh great, this is good, we can practice using it when when we get back home next week.' I said, 'well you could use it this evening on the way back to the hotel, as you already know where you're going.' She didn't reply.
Time for them to leave in the evening, DP mentioned that the previous evening they clearly knew where they were going, as my dad was signalling for turns even before DP did. They literally told us what the route was, and said yeah yeah we know where we're going. They left before dinner as dad was very tired. Mum had mentioned to me that her night vision is not great, but dad's is worse.
10 mins after they left, my mum rang the doorbell. Said they got lost. Missed a turning. DP had answered the door. He said but you've got the sat nav, you could have just used it. Mum apparently turned her nose up and said 'I'm not using that.' DP explained the directions again and they went. He is 1000x more patient than me, but even he was flabbergasted. Also, my dad was driving. Why not mum if he was that tired and his night vision is even worse than hers?

When DP told me what happened, my heart sank. I do not understand the refusal to do something so basic, and instead constantly expect us to mollycoddle them. I have a difficult relationship with them as it is, I'm always stressed when they visit as we rarely go anywhere unless it's in the car because of dad's mobility, and they rarely listen to anything I say to try and help them, or suggest I'm being disrespectful if I get frustrated with them. But it's tiring, and I feel it's unreasonable to have this palava every time they visit. Baby is due early March, they will always need to stay in a hotel from now on as we don't have the room. Will they expect us to keep 'showing them the way' every time they visit? The ridiculous thing is they use the internet loads and both have smart phones, so it's not like they are totally in the dark ages! AIBU?

OP posts:
Vinrouge4 · 29/12/2023 11:34

Could you not get a bed settee or put both children in one room when they visit? They are your parents after all.

EmmaEmerald · 29/12/2023 11:42

Just thinking back...mid 70s, my dad was the last one in his circle of friends who was okay to do a drive of that length and type.

Most of his peers stopped long before - and there were issues with CFers asking him for lifts to things when he was taking the train!

Maray1967 · 29/12/2023 11:57

I’d try to squeeze them in at yours by moving one of the DC. My DF has not long stopped driving at 82 and FIL still fine at 81, very alert, so it’s not a general rule. They seem to be able to drive, just not use a satnav.

Cattiwampus · 29/12/2023 12:07

Taxis.
Until you get old, lose your night vision, get fed up with everything being an app and a voice with yet another input to focus on whilst trying to spot cyclists and pedestrians wearing black on black in an unfamiliar town…you won’t understand.
Realising your parents are getting old, and what they were like is now changing to the new reality of what they are like is hard. I know my adult children are occasionally surprised by the knackered old bat who used to be their omnipotent parent. Fortunately they are tolerant, mildly concerned and helpful.
Despite both being autistic.
Look at what is now, rather than impatience that they no longer perform to your standards of a decade or so ago. Otherwise the situation will deteriorate, you will get more annoyed and shit still won’t get better.

KimberleyClark · 29/12/2023 12:10

My late ILs were a bit like this. For the first 10 years or so of our marriage they were quite happy to make the four hour journey to us by car but as soon as they got here they became helpless and incapable of driving themselves anywhere locally. No useful advice sorry, but do empathise.

IthinkIamAnAlien · 29/12/2023 12:19

@Cattiwampus
Perfect response, what I was thinking. OPs parents are ageing and it's hard for the young to understand cognitive and physical decline.
Friends of mine were in the situation of her giving up driving because she knew she was anxious and getting worse so he took over doing all the driving. Being competent and fixing problems is what men do!
Later on, he went to get bifocal lenses and discovered that he had a cataract which needed immediate treatment. He 'hadn't noticed' that he had no sight beyond blurring in the relevant eye, his brain had simply adapted to just using one eye!
These parents aren't just being difficult. Coping with ageing and loss of competence is terrifying, sometimes stubborn independence is what keeps people going. Most independent 90 year olds are incredibly so.
I agree that these parents probably shouldn't be driving and the complexity and proliferation of apps and software is enough infuriate and puzzle most over 60 year olds. Maybe the OP is going to need more patience and tolerance, the parents are obviously struggling and just because they won't admit it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

Kitkatcatflap · 29/12/2023 12:21

Some excellent advice has been given up thread such as taxis for after dark, taking them to visit the B&B 5 minutes away so they can see it for themselves or just letting them stay at your place.

I would also add hiring a mobility scooter for their next visit. Say to your Dad if you are not going to use it to join us on a wal to the park then we are going out and you'll be here alone

Bobbybobbins · 29/12/2023 12:26

Agree with either using taxis or giving them lifts. Could you go up there and either stay with them or book somewhere? Sounds like going forwards this may be more realistic. We had two years when my DM couldn't make it over to us.

Sunnydays0101 · 29/12/2023 12:28

Your parents are elderly in not the best health, they make the effort to come to see you so surely, you’d just drive them to/from their hotel or follow them to/from hotel in your car. It’s hardly that big a deal.

Some older people just can’t get the hang using Sat Nav and find following directions from in confusing, they haven’t been brought up with such technology.

Maybe show them some compassion, it’s not like it’s an everyday or even weekly occurrence.

CrapBucket · 29/12/2023 12:29

I think you need to respect your parents feelings and adjust your expectations. We will all be old
one day, if we are lucky enough. I know it’s hard to have small needy children AND older needy parents but that’s the reality of this point in life.

Sunnydays0101 · 29/12/2023 12:29

You complain your Mum does nothing to take the pressure off your Dad but it sounds if you don’t do too much yourself.

Blinkityblonk · 29/12/2023 12:38

My mum in her mid seventies is extremely active, will drive 100s of miles but she cannot see properly to drive at night, so always drives in the daytime. There are biological reasons why night vision deteriorates from midlife onwards, plus most by that age have some cataract issues even if they are jot replaced, and many have had them done. There are special glasses for older people to wear for night driving. I think you are in denial a little bit about the stress of this for them, definitely suggest daytime only and taxis or lifts. My mum also does not use sat nav and I don't consider that learned helplessness at all. They may be a pain in other ways but they can't cope and you need to work around that.

guineverehadgreeneyes · 29/12/2023 12:51

@OceanicBoundlessness It sounds like some of the choices they are making are making them old before their time.

They are already in their mid 70s; one of them has a form of ataxia and both of them have reduced night vision.

I'm in my early 70s with early stage cataracts. If I still drove, I would not be comfortable driving at night because vehicle and street lights cause dazzle and I don't see well at dusk, either, and that's with cataracts that are still at an early stage and I would probably wait years to have them fixed on the NHS.

Once people reach their 70s there is a wide variance in what they can manage due to reduced mobility, long-term health conditions, medication side-effects, cognitive impairment, psychological status, how long they can wait before needing the loo etc. "Old age ain't no place for sissies."

But I agree that reluctance to use mobility aids is frustrating.

guineverehadgreeneyes · 29/12/2023 12:58

If they don't like using sat nav, could you print out instructions for navigating the route back to the hotel or do an audio recording on their phones? I realise that would not help if a road was unexpectedly closed.

I'd also suggest that they refresh their memories of a route by "driving" along Google Street View.

Cattiwampus · 29/12/2023 13:02

The hotel is ten minutes away.
But too much for you to manage to give them a lift on the few occasions they visit. You sound inconsiderate, your DH less so.
It’s hard seeing your parents get old, and if you have a poor relationship with them, then your default will be irritation and impatience with their failings.
It’s only going to get harder for you all, until suddenly it won’t be.

Janiie · 29/12/2023 13:06

As others have said you need to either accommodate them at your house by putting your ds on a blow up bed in your room, or drive them to the hotel. Tbh I'd be collecting them from their actual home as driving seems to be causing them such distress.

It's human nature to get frustrated but you have to understand that anxiety when people get older is normal, particularly as your df has mobility issues so have some empathy and find solutions rather than forcing them to drive when they aren't confident anymore.

guineverehadgreeneyes · 29/12/2023 13:07

If there are hotels just 10 minutes away, is it really such a hardship for you or your husband to pick them up and take them back to the hotel?

Mmmm19 · 29/12/2023 13:13

I totally understand your frustration (I get easily frustrated with my parents especially with tech) but it sounds a combination of reducing cognitive ability, anxiety and vision mean the a rightly worried about driving at night and unfamiliar places so I wouldn’t push it. Options are going to there’s, making space at yours, giving lifts or cabs (a 10 min drive seems for for either of the last two)

delphi13 · 29/12/2023 13:13

I remember when my mum was alive she started to find it harder to drive at night and didn't feel comfortable. I patronisingly told her not to look directly at the other cars headlights and she wouldn't be dazzled! Oh the ignorance of the youth. I'm only 46 and my night vision has deteriorated quite a lot. There is no trick to not getting dazzled and frankly having the sat nav on, with it lighting up the interior of the car, can also mess up what little night vision I have. Until you experience this depressing part of getting older you really won't fully understand.

Truly, cut them some slack and give them a lift to and from the hotel. It's not much to ask if it's only 10 mins away.

Whilst I haven't needed a mobility scooter yet I have had to use mobility aids such as zimmer frames due to breaking my feet a few times and it really makes you feel vulnerable. I imagine mobility scooters may make some people feel free and others more vulnerable.l, especially on slightly uneven ground where you might be worried it will tip. Having poor coordination must also make it worrying to learn to use something like that. It's very up close and personal if you get it wrong and crash or hit someone else with it. I help an older lady with her shopping and suggested one to her to give her independence. She does not like and is scared of the idea. She has not left her house for years now, apart from for hospital trips. She would literally rather stare at her four walls than risk a mobility scooter.

I think you may need to try empathising a bit more and imagine things from their point of view a bit better. You are imagining it more from the point of view of a young person without trying to see the vulnerabilities and limitations they are experiencing.

Hopefully your children will be a bit more understanding when you reach this point.

EmmaEmerald · 29/12/2023 13:43

@Blinkityblonk "My mum also does not use sat nav and I don't consider that learned helplessness at all." So agree!

I'm 47 and never used sat nav, prefer a map. But they are obviously struggling with that too, which is understandable.

I also found the new super bright headlights caused issues for me with night driving.

OP I'm not suggesting your parents become reliant on you for everything, but you do need to be more realistic about their health issues and abilities.

I'm thinking a mobility scooter isn't a good idea either, given he has ataxia. I'm not sure if I'm dyspraxic or something but would be nervous to use that.

Some people have a lot of experience of elderly relatives being fit and well into their 90s. I don't know what the stats are but I really don't think it's a norm.

My issues with mum are well documented here but the main point is I didn't want her to rely on me and refuse outside help.

OP I think you have very high expectations of your parents and regardless of their age, you have to work with what they are comfortably able to do.

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 29/12/2023 15:54

Could the problem be about driving at night ? Would it be better for them to visit you in the spring / summer with lighter evenings ? Alternatively as they are only 10 minutes away could they leave their car at the hotel and get a taxi to and from your house ?

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 29/12/2023 16:00

Santaisscouringindeedfornewjob · 29/12/2023 10:51

Op and her dh have their own lives and soon a dc. They aren't in a position to be on hand chauffeurs nor should they be.

And yet her parents have made the effort to drive long distance and pay for a hotel to visit her ....... are you suggesting they shouldn't bother ?

Needanap82 · 29/12/2023 16:13

Thank you all for your replies, it's really helpful to get different perspectives. I can see how it comes across as us being impatient. I obviously haven't put all history here as I'm not writing a book, but I think fair to say we have done alot over the last few years to be as understanding, sensitive and accommodating as possible. I did have counselling a few years ago about how to manage our relationship (which has been difficult since childhood for various reasons), and it was helpful at the time for me to set some boundaries, which I'm trying to maintain, but don't want to cross the line into either being unreasonable, or putting up with unreasonable behaviour. As I said, they are actually pretty good with tech and have had a sat nav for years which they used to use regularly, especially when I lived in London, but have increasingly shunned it for reasons unknown.
Fwiw, until my son started school, I would do the drive up to theirs roughly every 6 weeks with my son to ensure that they could have a good relationship with him, and would stay either for the weekend or for a couple of days and work from their house so they could spend proper time with him essentially by themselves and develop their own bond. Would never expect them to be always coming down to us. But equally, it's good for them to leave their house sometimes!
@OceanicBoundlessness , yes, particularly identify with this.

I think it will be taxis to and from the hotel from now on. We literally won't be able to accommodate them once second baby is also here due to space, and would be stressful for all, including them. We also don't mind picking up/dropping off actually, it's the (what I see as ridiculous) use of 2 cars just for them to find their way back.

Thank you again!

OP posts:
placemats · 29/12/2023 16:13

At what age should you give up driving? The retirement for state pension age is now 67.

Your parents are internet savvy and they were given the instructions.

Don't baby them.

EmmaEmerald · 29/12/2023 16:52

OP "but have increasingly shunned it for reasons unknown"

The reason might be they find it really irritating. It's often touted as a solution when it's an additional problem.

You mention that you drove up there often in the past, was that them pressuring you?

Will you mind if they don't visit much?

You mention their next hotel stay - will you be okay if they aren't up for it?

Whatever happened in the past, the whole situation needs a review. I note you don't mention anything about understanding their limits even after reading through the posts.

Ataxia is a condition the DVLA need to be told about as well. I feel as if you've taken it very lightly. Apologies if I have the wrong idea.