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to think a diverse staff force in a Nursery is an asset, not a drop in quality?

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WhataPlank · 28/12/2023 11:56

I own a small, rural nursery school.
We, like every other nursery in the UK, really struggle with staffing but have recently secured three wonderful Practitioners to join our small team.
All are very experienced, very caring, speak perfect English and are completely qualified; one from Kenya, one from India and one from Romania.

The most important thing for me is having well trained staff who genuinely love and care for the children and ensure their learning and development is on track. On top of that, I think having such a diverse workforce is a massive asset particularly in an area where the children wouldn't necessarily get much exposure to different cultures. We already did regular diversity events (such as a Holi, Ramadan, St Patricks, Divali etc) and the new staff will all host their own Nursery activities to celebrate their cultures.

But I've heard several complaints (two directly to me as the owner, and many more "gossip/rumours") that our nursery has "cheapened" and "been taken over" and is generally being viewed as lower quality due to the staff not all being British. Some people have expressed concerns that their training would not meet the requirements of the EYFS and that the children's education will be of lower quality. It has been implied that the staff's native qualifications are not comparable to British ones.

AIBU to think this is simply pure racism and that staff diversity should be viewed as a massive asset to our community/children?

(In case it needs mentioning, I've gone out of my way to ensure the staff feel welcome and comfortable with their relocation.)

OP posts:
WhataPlank · 28/12/2023 15:56

I'm aware of the irony of me typing in really poor English but I live in a stone cottage with horrendous heating so my fingers aren't moving properly! Sorry for the typos.

OP posts:
psspsspssmrrowww · 28/12/2023 16:06

@WhataPlank I am wondering why you decided to jump headfirst into opening a nursery instead of first being a childminder. The latter is usually cheaper. People expect more structured activities from a nursery, education, qualifications etc etc although childminders do have to be qualified too people just expect more from nursery.

Do you have a large enough population of young working families than nursery is truly 'desperately needed'? I find that hard to believe in a rural area which is mostly farmland. You need new babies constantly being born/people moving out to be replaced by families with small children.

Cinderellanellabella · 28/12/2023 16:11

I previously worked as an early years practitioner, but decided not to return to the workforce after having a baby. Why? Because the working conditions for an early years practitioner are more often than not absolutely dire. Long hours, poor pay, forced overtime with no notice. I was incredibly passionate about my job and worked hard to get a degree in Early Years, as well as early years teacher status. But ultimately I just felt drained and completely under valued by any employer I had. So whilst I think there is nothing wrong with a diverse workforce, so long as all staff are well qualified and knowledgeable of early years. I think providers need to start thinking about why it is they can not recruit or retain staff.

AlbatrosStrike · 28/12/2023 16:14

psspsspssmrrowww · 28/12/2023 15:14

Also @AlbatrosStrike IMO there's a distinction between different types of jobs.
A graduate scheme with equal salaries - and the international students being given visa sponsorship? Nationality/race has nothing to do with it.
A job like nursery worker, where the pay is low,
https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/if-you-work-in-healthcare-or-education
And the reason we have a massive shortage is because people are not willing to do this difficult job for shit pay?
I find it difficult to believe people were hired without the right to work(it's a hassle to apply for visa sponsorship etc) solely because they're, erm the best for the job, if they've come directly from other countries. Similar in my industry for certain jobs people claim they cannot find anybody but magically when the pay is raised to market rate we have tons of great candidates applying.

At the end of the day people cannot have everything. If I was a parent paying top dollar for nursery I'd want staff to be well paid and I highly doubt that they can't find anybody who already had the right to work in the UK.
If I was paying the minimum possible then I'd give my head a wobble and keep my mouth shut.

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What are you on about? You are making assumptions about pay that the op subsequently refuted.

Even from what you’ve said, the conclusion is that these people have to be qualified to do this job if they got the work visas. That’s where the conversation started isn’t it? Their qualifications were vetted, so the parents shouldn’t worry if that is really the only concern.

You’re veering towards them coming here to take British jobs, which is another matter entirely.

sunglassesonthetable · 28/12/2023 16:15

*I am wondering why you decided to jump headfirst into opening a nursery instead of first being a childminder. The latter is usually cheaper. People expect more structured activities from a nursery, education, qualifications etc etc although childminders do have to be qualified too people just expect more from nursery.

Do you have a large enough population of young working families than nursery is truly 'desperately needed'? I find that hard to believe in a rural area which is mostly farmland. You need new babies constantly being born/people moving out to be replaced by families with small children.*

Seriously @psspsspssmrrowww I find it hard to believe you are basically telling a random stranger off for opening a nursery.

Crack on, I'm sure you know best.

Gummybear23 · 28/12/2023 16:16

You can speak perfectly good English and still have an accent be that regional or international.

Equally, you could be English and have appalling English grammar and pronunciation.

WhataPlank · 28/12/2023 16:16

psspsspssmrrowww · 28/12/2023 16:06

@WhataPlank I am wondering why you decided to jump headfirst into opening a nursery instead of first being a childminder. The latter is usually cheaper. People expect more structured activities from a nursery, education, qualifications etc etc although childminders do have to be qualified too people just expect more from nursery.

Do you have a large enough population of young working families than nursery is truly 'desperately needed'? I find that hard to believe in a rural area which is mostly farmland. You need new babies constantly being born/people moving out to be replaced by families with small children.

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Being a childminder would mean giving up my career and my house to look after a limited number of children.
There are approximately 30-40 children that require early years care at any one time here. It's not a large number, but it needed something more than a childminder. At the time it seemed like an exciting challenge and my background and skills leant itself to it.
I wouldn't do it again if I could go back in time, but I'm loathe to give it up and let so many people down.

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sunglassesonthetable · 28/12/2023 16:19

I find that hard to believe in a rural area which is mostly farmland.

hilarious arrogance.😂

You happy now @psspsspssmrrowww? now you've been provided with numbers.

psspsspssmrrowww · 28/12/2023 16:20

Cinderellanellabella · 28/12/2023 16:11

I previously worked as an early years practitioner, but decided not to return to the workforce after having a baby. Why? Because the working conditions for an early years practitioner are more often than not absolutely dire. Long hours, poor pay, forced overtime with no notice. I was incredibly passionate about my job and worked hard to get a degree in Early Years, as well as early years teacher status. But ultimately I just felt drained and completely under valued by any employer I had. So whilst I think there is nothing wrong with a diverse workforce, so long as all staff are well qualified and knowledgeable of early years. I think providers need to start thinking about why it is they can not recruit or retain staff.

I do wonder why OP, despite seemingly being a great employer had 4 people quit because it was 'too much hard work'. Given that many jobs are minimum wage what else did they go on to do?

Subsidised rent , £14 an hour sounds like a great deal. People would be stupid to not want that job.

@sunglassesonthetable all you've done so far is snipe at me, maybe stop being thread police and answer the actual question? There's no job for thread police and OP is not going to hire you at the nursery with that attitude

Longma · 28/12/2023 16:21

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ReindeerShelter · 28/12/2023 16:23

We implement a diverse cultural curriculum because it is fun, educational and we aim to broaden children's experiences as well as promote inclusion.

No, you’re doing it to be woke and I won’t have it anywhere near my children.

Neitheronethingnortheother · 28/12/2023 16:24

psspsspssmrrowww · 28/12/2023 16:20

I do wonder why OP, despite seemingly being a great employer had 4 people quit because it was 'too much hard work'. Given that many jobs are minimum wage what else did they go on to do?

Subsidised rent , £14 an hour sounds like a great deal. People would be stupid to not want that job.

@sunglassesonthetable all you've done so far is snipe at me, maybe stop being thread police and answer the actual question? There's no job for thread police and OP is not going to hire you at the nursery with that attitude

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You want @sunglassesonthetable to answer why the OP opened a nursery not a childminders, and why the staff at a nursery she has never been to have left?

Let's face it the actual question was were the comments racist, not is the OP a shit businesswoman who treats her staff terribly and has a useless business model which appears to be the line you are taking to distract from the actual point of the thread...

AlbatrosStrike · 28/12/2023 16:24

@psspsspssmrrowww

Are you one of the parents at OP’s nursery or do you work for the home office?

You seem set to open an investigation into how the OP sponsored visas for her employees 😄

Neitheronethingnortheother · 28/12/2023 16:25

ReindeerShelter · 28/12/2023 16:23

We implement a diverse cultural curriculum because it is fun, educational and we aim to broaden children's experiences as well as promote inclusion.

No, you’re doing it to be woke and I won’t have it anywhere near my children.

Ah so you are racist

And also not aligned with British Values

Unfortunately for you unless you homeschooling your children are going to at some point find out that there is a celebration called Ramadan... 🙄

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Gummybear23 · 28/12/2023 16:26

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Why would you be put off?

If they have qualifications and can speak English?
What is it that scares you?

Longma · 28/12/2023 16:28

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ScremeEggs · 28/12/2023 16:29

@ReindeerShelter No, you’re doing it to be woke and I won’t have it anywhere near my children

🤣🤣😂
You lost all credibility wheeling out "woke "
Won't have what near your children?
Then learning about other cultures and celebrations apart from their own?
Black people?
Romanian people?
Why not just come out and say it

sunglassesonthetable · 28/12/2023 16:29

* all you've done so far is snipe at me, maybe stop being thread police and answer the actual question? There's no job for thread police and OP is not going to hire you at the nursery with that attitude*

You think OP should have been a child minder, you don't think there were enough children to open a nursery, she wasn't a good employers, suspicious she opened after Covid...

what's your issue? ! It's hilarious. 😂

If you think disagreeing is 'sniping' so be it. And yeah I did answer the question way back.

sunglassesonthetable · 28/12/2023 16:31

@psspsspssmrrowww

psspsspssmrrowww · 28/12/2023 16:31

AlbatrosStrike · 28/12/2023 16:24

@psspsspssmrrowww

Are you one of the parents at OP’s nursery or do you work for the home office?

You seem set to open an investigation into how the OP sponsored visas for her employees 😄

Not really. I just know a lot about visas etc being on one myself.

psspsspssmrrowww · 28/12/2023 16:31

sunglassesonthetable · 28/12/2023 16:29

* all you've done so far is snipe at me, maybe stop being thread police and answer the actual question? There's no job for thread police and OP is not going to hire you at the nursery with that attitude*

You think OP should have been a child minder, you don't think there were enough children to open a nursery, she wasn't a good employers, suspicious she opened after Covid...

what's your issue? ! It's hilarious. 😂

If you think disagreeing is 'sniping' so be it. And yeah I did answer the question way back.

Ok, so what is your issue now?

sunglassesonthetable · 28/12/2023 16:33

Ok, so what is your issue now?

Wondering why you think you know better than the OP about opening a nursery. So what's yours?

LinnieM · 28/12/2023 16:34

ReindeerShelter · 28/12/2023 12:43

Well it would put me off and I would be looking elsewhere. And no, it isn’t racist to think that.

I would love to hear what exactly would put you off?

Gummybear23 · 28/12/2023 16:35

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The kids will one day grow up and maybe travel.
Perhaps, take a gap year in India or Kenya?

Surely, an insight into other cultures and customs is a strength.

Or maybe you think these young children will be never leave their rural landscape or ever engage with people from.different cultures??