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Why can't you just dispose of evidence in the bin

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someladdersandsnakes · 26/12/2023 13:30

I'm reading a thriller and the character done a murder and has destroyed her clothes by burning them. I feel like that would draw attention though. It wasn't the sort of crime that would be discovered immediately and the character wouldn't be suspected immediately either so I would have thought just putting them in the bin would be a good option really but nobody ever does that. Why not? Like surely once the rubbish van has come, and everything from the bins has been combined and smooshed down, there's no way any evidence would be recovered? Who's gonna dig through all that?

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DC1888 · 26/12/2023 17:34

GrandParade · 26/12/2023 14:46

Yes, that was an utterly horrible murder of a vulnerable woman (a violent BDSM-scene architect intentionally stabbing a woman who had a history of significant MH problems and who had only been released from being an inpatient, with the idea that it would look like suicide by the time her body was found), and, as you say, while he was caught and imprisoned through good police work, the thing that initially sparked off suspicion about her death was someone finding a bag with a supermarket loyalty card in her name in a reservoir whose water was usually 15 feet deep, but was temporarily under one foot in depth because of very dry weather.

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Just read about that case. Horrific. Poor Elaine. The shallow water exposing the bag ultimately unlocked the case.

Mumoffife · 26/12/2023 17:35

Google Chloe Mitchell Ballymena murder. I don't actually want to say the gory details, because it's not all been to court yet.

coldcallerbaiter · 26/12/2023 17:37

Put in a plastic lidded container and cover in bleach and water to the top. Dispose of it in a bin within a bag. Even if it leaks out or is found, the dna will be destroyed.

Cerealkiller4U · 26/12/2023 17:39

I work somewhere where we often work with forensics, you’ve got DNA that connects you to crimes. They search the bins as one of the most looked at items

i remember someone telling me too that if you bury a body and they’ve got to cover huge amounts of land then they use a helicopter. The reasoning for this is that as a body starts to decompose it causes a chemical reaction on the soil and you can clearly see and it makes a certain type of weed grow.

we’re often involving forensics and those people are if nothing else. The most meticulous people I’ve ever met!!!

Cerealkiller4U · 26/12/2023 17:40

For example there was the case of the little girls in Brighton park. They knew who did it they just didn’t have the evidence. It was in the early 1970’s I believe.

fast forward some 40 years and the guy gets pulled over for a speeding infraction and they found the DNA of the girls on a jumper some 40 years later!!!

babes in the woods murder

Cerealkiller4U · 26/12/2023 17:42

Talking about landfills. We had a guy who walked home from a pub. Got drunk and fell asleep in a bin, the bin got taken to a landfill within like 24 hours and he’s never been found but that’s the working title.

coldcallerbaiter · 26/12/2023 17:43

SockQueen · 26/12/2023 17:09

I often wonder if I got murdered, whether the police would be thrown off the scent by finding traces of blood around the sink where I rinse mine out. Poor DH might get accused!

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Huge percentage of dh or exes, are the culprits anyway….

cctv, it is the trail of if that catches you. If you are a possible suspect, they can see your movements not just with your phone but house to business to house all along a route via cctv…You do not know where you are captured and it builds a picture.

gocompare · 26/12/2023 17:45

Because you don't want it ever be found. If it's in landfill it's probably findable

Xmasblues · 26/12/2023 17:47

Cerealkiller4U · 26/12/2023 17:39

I work somewhere where we often work with forensics, you’ve got DNA that connects you to crimes. They search the bins as one of the most looked at items

i remember someone telling me too that if you bury a body and they’ve got to cover huge amounts of land then they use a helicopter. The reasoning for this is that as a body starts to decompose it causes a chemical reaction on the soil and you can clearly see and it makes a certain type of weed grow.

we’re often involving forensics and those people are if nothing else. The most meticulous people I’ve ever met!!!

This sounds so interesting!

VisionsOfSplendour · 26/12/2023 17:49

Notfeelinghunkydory · 26/12/2023 14:08

I'd bury clothes etc in a hole in the middle of nowhere!

But what about the electronic trial of getting there? Switching your off would be suspicious unless you are in the habit of doing that, CCTV? ANPR cameras?

How far do you live from the middle of nowhere, how would you know where to go?

It's easier said than done nowadays

VisionsOfSplendour · 26/12/2023 17:51

Cerealkiller4U · 26/12/2023 17:42

Talking about landfills. We had a guy who walked home from a pub. Got drunk and fell asleep in a bin, the bin got taken to a landfill within like 24 hours and he’s never been found but that’s the working title.

What do you mean by the working title?

Are you talking about Corrie McKeague (apologies if that's not the correct spelling)

DC1888 · 26/12/2023 17:56

The worst case of thinking "just putting stuff in a bin" would be enough must be the Stephen McDaniel case where he put the dismembered body of his victim in the bin right next to their university apartment. He was interviewed by a reporter over her being missing and his face when he is told they found a body is quite a picture.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WiNMbCvc5Sk&pp=ygUac3RlcGhlbiBtY2RhbmllbCBpbnRlcnZpZXc%3D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lauren_Giddings

McDaniel's first media interview

Hours after Lauren Giddings' torso was found, Stephen McDaniel gave his first media interview which raised suspicions he was her killer. Here are excerpts ai...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?pp=ygUac3RlcGhlbiBtY2RhbmllbCBpbnRlcnZpZXc%3D&v=WiNMbCvc5Sk

RoseAndRose · 26/12/2023 17:57

VisionsOfSplendour · 26/12/2023 17:49

But what about the electronic trial of getting there? Switching your off would be suspicious unless you are in the habit of doing that, CCTV? ANPR cameras?

How far do you live from the middle of nowhere, how would you know where to go?

It's easier said than done nowadays

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Drive to visit your Dear Old Mum who lives on the outskirts of a sleepy market town (with no ANPR). Leave your phone there, and put your smartwatch on charge (innocuous reason to take it off). From the tech it would look like you had stayed in the house.

Then you go out on foot, in her car or on her bike to your preferred disposal site (somewhere you know well from your childhood, and which isn't even close to places with CCTV)

tescocreditcard · 26/12/2023 17:58

I read somewhere that organised crime syndicates have been known to have a contact in the under-taking business and dispose of bodies by adding them to other peoples coffins before they are cremated.

They also train people up to be "cutters". The cut the body up professionally like a butcher then scatter the parts, always in different police counties knowing the police don't like to share information with their counterparts in other areas.

GnomeDePlume · 26/12/2023 18:04

If your victim is someone known to you then there's a good chance you will be interviewed. Anything which looks odd will call attention. Strong smell of bleach, odd cooking smells.

Try to clean up someone else's home then you will be backwards and forwards - CCTV, ring doorbells, dash cam footage.

There was a man who decided to see if he could get away with murder. He murdered a stranger. The only people about were some dogwalkers. He was caught:

  • the dog walkers noticed him because he didn't have a dog. The dog walkers didn't know each other but they did know each other's dogs
  • ANPR cameras in the area was used to pick out his car
  • he left behind forensic evidence at the crime scene
Igotagoodcard · 26/12/2023 18:04

Dotjones · 26/12/2023 15:14

If you want to get away with it you either need to destroy the evidence or hide it. The trouble with hiding it is that it has a habit of being found again. Especially when you're talking about a murder, the police don't just give up, if they think there might be evidence in the landfill they'll take a look.

If you've got bloodied clothes and they're in a bin there's a risk of leaving DNA evidence in the bin even after it's been emptied. That's why burning is so popular.

Of course burning clothes draws attention. Some people have a habit of regularly lighting bonfires in their gardens, presumably this is so that nobody notices anything unusual when the time comes to burn evidence.

Even if the police aren't actually looking for evidence of the murder you committed there's a risk that they'll check your bins whilst investigating an unrelated matter. A few years back my bin was searched because of a stabbing a couple of streets away, they went through all the bins in the area in case the knife had been abandoned in one. I didn't have anything to worry about on that occasion but Sod's law dictates that if you've put some bloodied clothes in one in anticipation of the bins being collected tomorrow, that'll be the day some tosser stabs someone at the end of your street.

This was my first though- if you put bloody clothes in your bin, even in a bag, there might be traces left after the bin is emptied.

So you would have to wash your wheely bin with bleach- which if your usual cleaning routine is anything like mine would be massively suspicious!

oakleaffy · 26/12/2023 18:05

DC1888 · 26/12/2023 17:34

Just read about that case. Horrific. Poor Elaine. The shallow water exposing the bag ultimately unlocked the case.

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Yes....So many coincidences.
Had that Fisherman and his friend not been looking into the reservoir, had the water level not dropped so low due to the dry summer, the metal parts of the bondage gear would not have glinted up from below.
They said they thought it was a Stag Party stuff initially, but one of them was bothered enough by the style of it that made it seem too sinister for a mere hen or stag party.

Elaine was thought to have committed suicide {this is what the horrible killer was banking on} as she was seen crying at her mother's grave by a witness previously.

It was a vile crime, and poor Elaine was so vulnerable.

It was a really disturbing crime.

Also ...Nokia phones!

An iPhone wouldn't still be working after months underwater.

The metadata was retrievable.

I hope Elaine is at Peace.

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/12/2023 18:05

I'd bury clothes etc in a hole in the middle of nowhere! And they'd be found within 3 days by a dog walker.

zaazaazoo · 26/12/2023 18:06

RoseAndRose · 26/12/2023 13:46

I can never work out why, when there is a bit of time to achieve the task, they're not got rid of in more normal ways.

So perhaps one guilty item in a bag to a charity bin. Another washed and dropped off at a charity shop (again with other stuff, so obviously you need to plan your murder for when you need to declutter). Something in one of those kerbside collection bag. Something else could be cut up, and the tatters and thrown away in several different ways eg put in with some food packaging waste and then divided into being dumped in a random public litter bin, put in your own landfill bin, put in (you dreadful person you) other people's bins ideally from out of your own area that have different collections (and perhaps go to a different tip or part of tip)

Or perhaps just left behind on public transport, or after a public event

But now you've created multiple opportunities for individual pieces to be discovered. Once discovered each could link to you. Donated with other stuff of YOURS. Put in a kerbside collection with YOUR stuff. This is a terrible idea

cakeorwine · 26/12/2023 18:09

coldcallerbaiter · 26/12/2023 17:37

Put in a plastic lidded container and cover in bleach and water to the top. Dispose of it in a bin within a bag. Even if it leaks out or is found, the dna will be destroyed.

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MikeRafone · 26/12/2023 18:09

uclpp · 26/12/2023 13:54

If I’d done the crime, I’d get the bloodied clothes, put them in a Tesco bag for life and mix in some shit (dog shit from the street or a dog shit bin, not your own dog) to make it look like someone had a messy problem. Then I’d drive my fragrant bag and ditch it in a public bin miles away.

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cctv and mobile phone pings would establish the location, Dan would still be on the clothing - how would you explain your movements? how would you explain the dna of the murdered person in a bag in a bin at a location you visited?

megletthesecond · 26/12/2023 18:12

Police search landfill. The BBC series 'The Met' showed how they piece a murder investigation together with CCTV, number plate recognition etc.

oakleaffy · 26/12/2023 18:13

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/12/2023 18:05

I'd bury clothes etc in a hole in the middle of nowhere! And they'd be found within 3 days by a dog walker.

Dogs {even dogs with 'poor' noses like sighthounds} have superb senses of smell - many times dogs have found remains. ''Found by a Dog walker'' is so common.

Elaine O' Hara's bones were found in a remote forest by a little dog who came back from undergrowth with small bones assumed initially to be animal bones by the owner.

I think only when a more identifiable bone was brought out by the dog did the owner and the landowner investigate further.

Cerealkiller4U · 26/12/2023 18:16

user1477391263 · 26/12/2023 15:18

I‘d hack up the body with the hacksaw we use for cutting up the Xmas tree, put it in a bunch of small separate freezer bags, put them in the freezer, then dispose of them one by one in the bin.

(Can’t believe I just wrote that)

Someone tried something similar to that and got caught

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