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Mother in law mess!

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NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 06:53

Christmas season MIL mess!!!

My Mother In Law has always been a toxic person to be involved with, as she regularly goes between family members, complaining about the other person and attempting to stir the pot. She also only seems to be insistent on pitching me and my husband and my Brother In Law and his wife against each other. She will often be passive aggressive or openly ‘off’ with me and it will quite literally appear and disappear overnight, never with any understanding as to why.

Recently my mother in law said that she wouldn’t be helping with any childcare in any way (school pick ups etc) anymore from now on. We’ve accepted this calmly/peacefully, but aware of the fact that this probably means that we’ll never see her, because she doesn’t attempt to arrange contact since she’s had a new relationship. I’ve made an effort to keep that contact in place so that the kids can still see their nan etc. For the last few weeks, I’ve text her to ask if she needed anything, attempted to call to catch up, asked when she’s free for us to see her etc. Each time she’s been busy or off to bed etc. On Saturday night I text her to ask if we could give her her Christmas presents and she said only quickly the following morning, because she was busy.

That night we bumped into my sis/brother in law and they mentioned that my MIL was at their house. They asked if we wanted to go over to theirs too. We arrived and my MIL was dismissive. Didn’t say hello to me, wouldn’t look up. Looked generally fuming at my presence! As the night went on, she would flick between blanking me/acting as though I were invisible, glaring at me or then suddenly asking me passive aggressive questions. Then at one point she suddenly asked me I was eating for Christmas Dinner this year. Another family member said something about it being obvious wasn’t it. She said “Well, she likes her food doesn’t she?” She did it with a sneer. Everyone paused uncomfortably. Then she said “What? She does. She loves her food.”

I said nothing and remained polite to her until we left a little while after. When we left I tried to give her a cuddle and she moved away and completely blanked/dismissed me. I said “Oh, ok.” I left and felt just completely bewildered about where that hatred of me had come from. Also upset because I had recently confided in my MIL that I was feeling low and had comfort eaten and put on weight.

We were due to spend Boxing Day with her and I needed to put that barrier in place for future. I write a non confrontational text to calmly say that I’d noticed some tension and the comment about food, not wanting to hug/say goodbye at the end. I asked if I’d done anything to upset or offend her and asked if there was anything I could do to help repair things if there was.

She phoned my husband screaming down the phone about how she’s done nothing wrong. Then hung up on him. Then she phoned my SIL who didn’t pick up. My sis in law had messaged me to ask if I was ok because shed seen how I’d been treated. Then she phoned my BIL.

A little later, she phoned me to say that my BIL had told her everything from my texts to my SIL (my responses to say that I was sad and baffled when she’d asked if I was ok). She screamed about how evil I was, how I’d hurt her feelings, wrecked her Christmas, done this on purpose, the problem was with me etc etc. She ended by saying that she didn’t want to see me again and then the line went dead.

Where they hell do I go from here?!

OP posts:
NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 08:49

@Calamitousness I think I’ve been too preoccupied with placating the situation so that other family members don’t turn on me, that I’ve let her get away with too much. Although she behaves badly other family members, she’s also really manipulative and manages to inject this fear within others not to upset her. So everyone sees, hears and experiences, but then sweeps it under the rug. My DH and I have set a boundary and now we’ll become the bad guys with the whole family. She draws everyone in and I think it’s that whole group upset that is making me try to being the reasonable one, so I’m not the one that the whole family turn against. I know, if they do this then they’re also not worth it. There’s still that guilt there though, esp for my DH and kids. I so wanted a healthy relationship with their grandparents because mine aren’t around.

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EvilElsa · 18/12/2023 08:50

Well if the rest of the family want to kowtow to the arsehole that's up to them. Probably why she behaves the way she does -nobody ever tells her to fuck off.
You get one life op. Don't spend it trying to please someone who treats you like shit. She will do it over and over because she can and she gets what she wants -typical bully. No need to argue with her, just don't respond or react. Don't message her or ring her or invite her round. Grey rock at social events.

Motnight · 18/12/2023 08:50

Be very wary about letting your DH facilitate access to your kids, Op. Your mil will start behaving awfully with them. It might take a while for it to become obvious but she won't be able to help herself.

NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 08:55

@autienotnaughty Boxing Day is usually spent at my SIL and BIL’s and is usually so lovely each year. Our combined kids all adore each other and my daughter feels this is the absolute highlight of her Christmas. She’s been speaking about how she doesn’t care about anything else other than this.

Then, recently my SIL told me that my BIL invited his mum to keep her happy. When my MIL has had problems with family in the past, she’s refused to be in the same room as them. I think that she’ll do this and we’ll be asked to step down from Boxing Day anyway. It’s for the best for the situation but I know that my daughter will be devastated about it. Just feel so guilty about that.

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EvilElsa · 18/12/2023 08:56

But why on earth do YOU feel guilty?! You haven't done anything.

PepperIsHere · 18/12/2023 08:57

You can keep angsting or you can decide to move on.

She ain't gonna change. The family dynamic ain't gonna change.

Thank your lucky stars that she's not your blood relative and do what's right for your own family.

MassageForLife · 18/12/2023 08:57

You should invite Sil and Bil to yours another day instead.

autienotnaughty · 18/12/2023 08:59

That's really tricky. Could dh and dc go for a couple hours to see cousins? Id understand if you didn't want that though. Or yes no one go.

Maray1967 · 18/12/2023 08:59

Invite your SIL on the 27th or another day. Do something nice with just your immediate family on Boxing Day. And leave your DH to deal with MIL.

Ellie1015 · 18/12/2023 09:00

If boxing day is cancelled ask to reschedule for 27th or Sat after Christmas just your family and SIL/BIL. If not possible dd will be disappointed but unfortunately that is not a reason to allow MIL to be awful to you.

BoredofBlonde · 18/12/2023 09:01

You sound lovely, and thank goodness your H is sticking up for you against this nutter.

Disengage totally. Wait for HER to put in effort and then decide what you want to do.

5128gap · 18/12/2023 09:07

tara66 · 18/12/2023 07:40

Arrange a legal ''no contact' notice to be sent her .

So rather than simply not seeing someone again, people actually throw good money away to send them a piece of paper to tell them that they won't be seeing them again? This is a thing?
Goodness me. What a fine time to be a solicitor.

Projectme · 18/12/2023 09:21

Poor you OP. What a horrible toxic woman she is! Not sure I'd want her around my kids tbh so she's done you a favour. What has made her so bitter and twisted? Are you 'not good' enough for her son?

It would be such a shame to miss your usual lovely Boxing Day arrangement just because of MiL. Personally, I'd still go (providing BiL/SiL maintained the invite for you to go!) and hit the problem head on, once and for all. Have your DH stick to you like glue so that the minute she starts, no matter how subtly, he can tell her to stop it/call her out on it. You would like to think that BiL/SiL would also call her out if they heard any nonsense too but as you say, they're scared by her bullying and ignore it, to keep the peace.

But that is was a bully lives on; the fear they've created. She's a horrible bully to you all. What a legacy to be remembered by!

auburnglow788 · 18/12/2023 09:23

I felt your frustration OP and can say from experience that there is nothing you can do. Your MIL may be a toxic individual and there could be so many reasons why she does what she does, but you're unlikely to ever get a proper explanation. What it probably boils down to is that your MIL feels in control of the family when she can influence each family members' opinion of each other. Also by influencing each family members' opinion of the other, she can manipulate things to her liking. In situations like this, it's important that the lines of communication between all members of the family are open and direct and not always through the toxic person. You and your DH need to be able to talk to other family members openly and honestly to minimise your MIL's influence and avoid the divide and conquer effect.
My friend and I have the same issue with our respective families and what has made my friend successful in dealing with this, is that she is able to talk to her siblings, cousins etc and they are all aware of the toxic person's traits and they remain objective to what the toxic member of the family says and does and their behaviour towards each other uninfluenced.
Good luck and I hope you find a solution.

SgtJuneAckland · 18/12/2023 09:31

You might find that BIL read the messages to shut down whatever nonsense she was spewing about you, eg no mum am she said was ABC...
There's no reasoning with that type of person.

I would message S/BIL and just say I'm so sorry you've been caught up in all of this I genuinely have no idea what I've done to upset MIL. We'd love to still see you over Christmas but if it is going to make things difficult for you on boxing day, we can meet up with the DC on the 27/weekend whatever suits best.

TenderChicken · 18/12/2023 09:34

I was a bit baffled reading your post. Why on earth do you keep texting her? It's like poking a bear.

You know she's a toxic person so keep your distance. She's DH's problem. My MIL is lovely and I've only texted her about 5 times in the 10 years we've been married.

It almost comes across that you enjoy the drama.

LikeItOrLumpIts · 18/12/2023 11:29

Ok @NikkiManz88 you need to stop giving your MIL any more power. You can’t control what she does, you can only control how you react, so don’t. Stop contact. She’s toxic so leave her to it.

It’s worth looking up ‘narcissistic supply’ as I suspect that’s what is going on here.

Everyone has always let her get away with it, so when someone finally stand up to her shitty behaviour she doesn’t like it so acts out. Her behaviour will get worse but ignore it. It’s a bit like having a temper tantrum. Of course you’ll be the bad guy in her eyes but you can’t change that. Stop texting her, stop pandering to her, she isn’t going to change.

Ive been through the same with my MIL and have always been told ‘that’s just how she is’. Well I’m no longer doing what everyone else does and enabling her behaviour. Going no contact is quite freeing.

And just because a person has always been like that, doesn’t mean their behaviour is acceptable. It’s just no one has stood up to it before. So when you do, they don’t like it.

AdoraBell · 18/12/2023 11:53

Definitely stop contacting her. I’m glad your DH stood up for you.

NikkiManz88 · 20/12/2023 03:56

Thank you so much to all of those who have given honest but kind responses. I really appreciate it and it truly has helped to put things into perspective. Sometimes when you feel a bit emotionally worn out, it’s easy to lose strength or perspective, so this has been great. Aside from the first and only text to acknowledge the behaviour, I’ve grey rocked. If my phone has rang, I’ve ignored it. I then had a text to say about problems to health, all the usual process of guilt of manipulation that she follows. I didn’t engage. She publicly posted an Anniversary message on my Facebook last night and has text to say that she misses me today. I’m not replying to any of it. It’s all games and none of it is sincere or without attempted manipulation.

it dawned on me why I think she’s so angry. She used to have my son for a couple of days a week (after insisting) and suddenly stopped that recently. It was all a bit stressful finding last minute childcare and she enjoyed the panic. Now that we’re a few weeks into our new ‘no childcare help’ regime and haven’t asked for any support since (I think she was expecting us to beg), I think it’s dawned on her that she has no carrot to dangle in front of us and no control over any part our lives. Thanks again all.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 20/12/2023 04:14

She sounds really awful. I'm so glad your husband has your back. I imagine that your brother-in-law was trying to be the golden child and that's why he gave up all your text messages, basically selling you out.

PBandJ111 · 20/12/2023 05:31

You do nothing. You’ve reached out multiple times and she’s behaved appallingly. Time to cut contact if need be. Stop engaging with her. Be civil and tolerant but not proactive and no hugs etc.

madmumofteens · 20/12/2023 07:18

What a horrible woman big hugs to you don't absorb her energy OP let your husband deal with her and leave her to her miserable little life x

Heronwatcher · 20/12/2023 07:24

You grow a backbone and stick up for yourself. Why did you try to hug her? After the “likes her food comment”. I’d have said, ok guys, looks like granny is feeling a bit ill, let’s all head off, and left. No one gets to be purposefully rude and cruel like that. If your husband wants to take the kids to see him mum, fine, he can sort that out himself- personally I wouldn’t be facilitating contact with someone who was so rude, mean and plays mind games like that.

BethDuttonsTwin · 20/12/2023 07:24

She has a personality disorder and such types simply create conflict between people close to them because they enjoy it and feel more comfortable when there is drama. The only way to deal with such types is to completely ignore them. Grey Rock them. You didn’t realise but showing your pain or bewilderment is food and drink to them, it keeps them going. Show nothing, say nothing, distant basic interactions, no personality or mood shown and never confide in them. They’ll use it against you later, just as she did - the food comment. It’s not you, it’s her and you need to withdraw completely.

Ilovecleaning · 20/12/2023 07:27

Fuck her off. Stop enabling her extremely immature behaviour by paying her all this attention. People will do whatever they know they can get away with. Why do you need this person in your life? What about your husband? Where does he feature in all this?

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