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Mother in law mess!

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NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 06:53

Christmas season MIL mess!!!

My Mother In Law has always been a toxic person to be involved with, as she regularly goes between family members, complaining about the other person and attempting to stir the pot. She also only seems to be insistent on pitching me and my husband and my Brother In Law and his wife against each other. She will often be passive aggressive or openly ‘off’ with me and it will quite literally appear and disappear overnight, never with any understanding as to why.

Recently my mother in law said that she wouldn’t be helping with any childcare in any way (school pick ups etc) anymore from now on. We’ve accepted this calmly/peacefully, but aware of the fact that this probably means that we’ll never see her, because she doesn’t attempt to arrange contact since she’s had a new relationship. I’ve made an effort to keep that contact in place so that the kids can still see their nan etc. For the last few weeks, I’ve text her to ask if she needed anything, attempted to call to catch up, asked when she’s free for us to see her etc. Each time she’s been busy or off to bed etc. On Saturday night I text her to ask if we could give her her Christmas presents and she said only quickly the following morning, because she was busy.

That night we bumped into my sis/brother in law and they mentioned that my MIL was at their house. They asked if we wanted to go over to theirs too. We arrived and my MIL was dismissive. Didn’t say hello to me, wouldn’t look up. Looked generally fuming at my presence! As the night went on, she would flick between blanking me/acting as though I were invisible, glaring at me or then suddenly asking me passive aggressive questions. Then at one point she suddenly asked me I was eating for Christmas Dinner this year. Another family member said something about it being obvious wasn’t it. She said “Well, she likes her food doesn’t she?” She did it with a sneer. Everyone paused uncomfortably. Then she said “What? She does. She loves her food.”

I said nothing and remained polite to her until we left a little while after. When we left I tried to give her a cuddle and she moved away and completely blanked/dismissed me. I said “Oh, ok.” I left and felt just completely bewildered about where that hatred of me had come from. Also upset because I had recently confided in my MIL that I was feeling low and had comfort eaten and put on weight.

We were due to spend Boxing Day with her and I needed to put that barrier in place for future. I write a non confrontational text to calmly say that I’d noticed some tension and the comment about food, not wanting to hug/say goodbye at the end. I asked if I’d done anything to upset or offend her and asked if there was anything I could do to help repair things if there was.

She phoned my husband screaming down the phone about how she’s done nothing wrong. Then hung up on him. Then she phoned my SIL who didn’t pick up. My sis in law had messaged me to ask if I was ok because shed seen how I’d been treated. Then she phoned my BIL.

A little later, she phoned me to say that my BIL had told her everything from my texts to my SIL (my responses to say that I was sad and baffled when she’d asked if I was ok). She screamed about how evil I was, how I’d hurt her feelings, wrecked her Christmas, done this on purpose, the problem was with me etc etc. She ended by saying that she didn’t want to see me again and then the line went dead.

Where they hell do I go from here?!

OP posts:
Moonshine5 · 18/12/2023 08:12

Maddy70 · 18/12/2023 08:04

She really doesn't sound well.

Just ignore her. Don't chase after her. Stop Giving her the attention

Let her make her own bullets to fire

Have no contact with her. I feel sorry for your dh it must be so difficult to be in the middle of all this

Why?
Surely you would feel sorry for OP

thecatsthecats · 18/12/2023 08:12

Sometimes I wish I was more of a people person.

Sometimes I read posts like this and I'm glad that I'm not SO much of a people person that I'll endlessly pursue relationships with any old cunt no matter how badly they treat me. There is literally nothing that needs to be done in this situation. Just leave her be and enjoy the space losing her aggro leaves in your life.

Vinrouge4 · 18/12/2023 08:14

Why are you bothering with her. Cut her out of your life. You will feel so much better.

Maddy70 · 18/12/2023 08:14

Moonshine5 · 18/12/2023 08:12

Why?
Surely you would feel sorry for OP

Of course ..... but its very difficult for him he loves someone who is mentally unstable as well as his wife

AVeryPregnantXmas · 18/12/2023 08:21

Firstly, learn to stand up for yourself. This woman was rude to you and treated you like shit and then you text her to ask what you could do to fix it?!!

Second, don't bother with her anymore.

NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 08:24

I agree it’s not great to be around that toxic behaviour. I think I’m just feeling conflicted and guilty about the fact that my questioning of her has resulted in all family members getting screaming phone calls and her now not seeing her grandkids. Her behaviour is so bad that the rest of the family usually placate her to keep on her good side. I think I’m just aware that she’s so good at manipulating, that I’m most likely going to end up the bad guy in this. She’ll cry and get more dramatic about the effects of my ‘bullying’ towards her, until other family members will feel sorry for her and see my behaviour as the aggressor.

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Ellie1015 · 18/12/2023 08:24

Stop trying. I would be civil when i have to see her in group company but do not have contact otherwise.

She is horrid. Do not hope for a relationship with her. Do not confide, chat or hug her or attempt to be in touch. If she wants to see kids she can organise via dh.

Moonshine5 · 18/12/2023 08:25

Maddy70 · 18/12/2023 08:14

Of course ..... but its very difficult for him he loves someone who is mentally unstable as well as his wife

I'm not saying he doesn't love DM but the fact remains his mother is causing his wife a lot of pain, shouldn't his loyalty be to his wife and shouldn't our sympathies be with OP not DH

ginoohginoginelli · 18/12/2023 08:25

As others have asked, where is your husband in all this?
You need to leave her to it. You can't do anything to change the situation because you have done nothing wrong. Ignore and disconnect.

Baneofmyexistence · 18/12/2023 08:26

You ignore her! I don’t know why you are trying to make nice and hug her and phone her. Be glad you don’t have to speak to her any more. I don’t know what your husband is doing in all of this but my DH wouldn’t let anyone in his family treat me like this. Her not seeing her grandkids is her choice, you can’t force a relationship if she doesn’t want to see them.

Grumpynan · 18/12/2023 08:26

Speaking as a MIL, and I know it can be argued there are two sides to every story etc etc

but I would take that opportunity to back away. You’ve tried, I’m always posting that relationships are a two way thing, and take work on both sides, and a MIL and DIL relationship is a minefield (. My MIL was a witch, I didn’t learn soon enough- no mums net then 😂, she did so much damage , but that’s history fir another day ). I work so hard at maintaining my relationships with my DILS and I love them dearly so its really no effort anymore.

no, don’t respond, back away and take your children and husband ( I assume he supports you ) with you, believe me they do not need that kind of toxicity in their lives.

vidflex · 18/12/2023 08:29

Barnybrown · 18/12/2023 06:59

Where is your husband in all this ?

This!

Was your husband there when she made these nasty comments and was mean to you?. Because my own husband would not tolerate that from his mother and vice versa. He'd pull her straight up on it.

NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 08:30

@Barnybrown He was out of the room with the comments and the dismissive behaviour at the beginning at the end. My SIL noticed the tension and passive aggressive tone/questions and saw everything. I told him when we left and he’s really upset/angry. In terms of her general passive aggressiveness and manipulation. She’s very clever with it and concealing it.

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Zevitevitchofcrimas · 18/12/2023 08:31

You leave her to it op.

You tried to be friendly and you tried to find out what was wrong.
She has responded in an unaccessible way so you ask yourself : would you want your child or best friend to be treated and spoken to like this. If not why is this acceptable for you?
. What does your dh say or think?

NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 08:33

@sunights Thanks so much. You’re right. I’ll disengage. When she phoned screaming, I didn’t engage and I think that made her more enraged because she had me on speakerphone with other family and wanted to prove me to be some sort of monster. I didn’t give her it and I’ll leave her to it.

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phoenixrosehere · 18/12/2023 08:33

thecatsthecats · 18/12/2023 08:12

Sometimes I wish I was more of a people person.

Sometimes I read posts like this and I'm glad that I'm not SO much of a people person that I'll endlessly pursue relationships with any old cunt no matter how badly they treat me. There is literally nothing that needs to be done in this situation. Just leave her be and enjoy the space losing her aggro leaves in your life.

I’m a people person and I wouldn’t be pursuing the person either. I let them hang themselves with their own noose.

You can only be so openly rude and nasty to someone for so long before people take notice and question what kind of person you are.

TheseLegsDefinitelyUsedToBeLonger · 18/12/2023 08:33

Shelby2010 · 18/12/2023 07:23

Stop seeing her.

Also I wouldn’t be keen on her seeing the DC. How long until she starts playing the same games with them. Or bad mouthing you to them.

This! Absolutely this. People like this play nasty games with everyone. I have a family member who is exactly the same. Only ever nice when there is something in it for her. Don't let her poison the minds of your kids. Back away, leave her to it, and get on with your life. Sorry if someone else has already said this, but the Stately Homes threads may be useful... 💐

Lochness1975 · 18/12/2023 08:35

You ignore her. She sounds like my mother, hence I went no contact for about 5 years and am now vvvvvv low contact. Can’t be doing with all the hassle and head wrecking.

NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 08:37

@buidhe We did similar in that when she was regularly trying to turn us against my SIL/BIL, we said that we would leave the conversation if it happened and would tell the other person. This is why it doesn’t sit well that my BIL has read my text messages to my SIL to her. I’m not sure why he would do that, because surely it’s obviously going to have a further negative impact on the situation? He tries to sweep things under the rug to keep on her good side and ensure that she doesn’t turn the behaviour to him, so it feels like he’s sold me out to please her. There was nothing wrong in the texts. Just me replying to concerns and saying that I was confused and felt saddened by it.

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EvilElsa · 18/12/2023 08:38

She's a manipulative bitch and I wouldn't be scraping around trying to figure her out or to apologise. I'd go NC (we went NC with a similar FIL and never regretted it once).

Cadenza12 · 18/12/2023 08:39

Hang up if she gets aggressive on the phone and really you do need to cut contact. This is not normal behaviour but you don't have to expose yourself to it. I don't see what else you can do under the circumstances.

NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 08:40

@MassageForLife My hubby is really angry and upset with her. She was careful to do most of this when he was out of the room (getting drinks, playing with the kids etc). When she phoned him to scream about what I’ve done, he said he wasn’t going to be having a conversation like that about his wife and it was awful behaviour. That’s when she hung up. We’ve not yet spoken about where to go from here because our kids haven’t really left our side to talk about it.

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Silverbirchtwo · 18/12/2023 08:40

Sounds like someone has been telling MIL bad things about you (true or not true) she has believed them, and is now not telling you what the problem is.

NikkiManz88 · 18/12/2023 08:43

@GreatGateauxsby I think it’s because my FIL’s side of the family are Italian and believe that you have contact with your family no matter what. I think that by cutting contact with MIL, it will mean that I’ll be cut out by the entire family. MIL is very good at manipulating and saying that someone’s effected her health or made her suicidal if she’s wants others to turn against them. I’m afraid they’ll do what is needed to keep her onside and things peaceful.

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Gnomegnomegnome · 18/12/2023 08:45

She sounds like my mother. When she started doing it to my dc I left her to it. Now she’s got no one to be vile to.
Don’t let it get to that stage just because you feel that you should make an effort. You wouldn’t accept it from anyone else.

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