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Liam Brown should have got a prison sentence at the very least (tw beastiality)

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Libertyy · 14/12/2023 10:46

https://www.advertiserandtimes.co.uk/news/amp/man-caught-having-sex-with-a-calf-was-badly-trampled-by-cows-9344439/

I find it ridiculous that he only got a community sentence, several calves died because of him. Not to mention only a 10 year bar on owning livestock, this should have been for life. Absolutely no justice here for the animals that have suffered. And a supportive girlfriend? There’s so much wrong with this case. I believe this happened over 7 years.

Man caught having sex with calf was badly trampled by cows trying to flee farm

A man caught having sex with a calf was badly trampled by cows after trying to flee the scene, a court heard today.

https://www.advertiserandtimes.co.uk/news/amp/man-caught-having-sex-with-a-calf-was-badly-trampled-by-cows-9344439/

OP posts:
Itslegitimatesalvage · 14/12/2023 13:24

Libertyy · 14/12/2023 13:09

Yes, do you know the effect rape has on animals? Would you say the same if it was a cat or a dog? I’m a victim of CSA and in another country where I keep farm animals, I’ve witnessed the effect on them several times

I’m sorry but where is this happening regularly enough that you can point out all the animals who have been raped with such a regular occurrence that you can pinpoint that as the common factor and therefore cause of any new behaviours?

curaçao · 14/12/2023 13:25

I dont think you want to kbow about breeding procedures in farm animala.Electric ejaculatuon where a big electric probe is put up a males rectum and his muscles shocked.Artifical insemination of animals, flushing them out to harvest their embryos and transplanting them into other females wombs
Not to mention theahooting of male calves, the unsane milk yields forced on dairy cattle.
To equate we treat animals to humans is bonkers

Verv · 14/12/2023 13:28

IMO he should be imprisoned for the same length of time as a man who is convicted of raping a human being.

Before anyone starts, yes, I am aware that an animal is not a human being, but someone who will do that to an animal will also do it to a child or a woman.
The degeneracy is there, and isnt going to go away. Ever.

Floppyelf · 14/12/2023 13:30

Ew ew ew. I really wish I didn’t click on this thread. Honestly, some people in the world shouldn’t be alive.

Carpetdancer · 14/12/2023 13:35

Truly hideous.

Having to be rescued by the farmer must have been quite a moment.

Libertyy · 14/12/2023 13:35

Verv · 14/12/2023 13:28

IMO he should be imprisoned for the same length of time as a man who is convicted of raping a human being.

Before anyone starts, yes, I am aware that an animal is not a human being, but someone who will do that to an animal will also do it to a child or a woman.
The degeneracy is there, and isnt going to go away. Ever.

I completely agree with you, this has been my point throughout the thread. It needs to be taken seriously and dealt with harshly, he’s been a degenerate for 7 years. It’s not going to go away anytime soon

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NightmareGirl · 14/12/2023 13:39

He should’ve been ordered to have psychotherapy

WildFlowerBees · 14/12/2023 13:42

Yes he should have had a custodial sentence. There's a scale and he's on the up. People like him shouldn't be walking around amongst us. Him and all the others who find sexual gratification outside of a consensual encounter. He disgusts me.

EmpressSoleil · 14/12/2023 13:48

Unfortunately animals are seen as property rather than living beings, in the eyes of the law.

I agree that anyone who does these things to an animal is sick and dangerous. But you can't lock someone up on the basis of what they could do in future. There was also probably an argument made that he would be vulnerable in prison. He had no previous convictions.

There is also the fact that there are no prison spaces. Magistrates and Judges have been told that prison should only be used where there is literally no other option. People forget that sentencing is very dependant on the state of the criminal justice system and ours is falling apart. Like many other public services, it needs serious investment. Which isn't happening.

Libertyy · 14/12/2023 13:55

Itslegitimatesalvage · 14/12/2023 13:24

I’m sorry but where is this happening regularly enough that you can point out all the animals who have been raped with such a regular occurrence that you can pinpoint that as the common factor and therefore cause of any new behaviours?

A different country. We have known our animals since they were born, we feed them until they’re mature enough to be sold on but we keep some for our own produce, to enhance the family’s way of living. So we know what our animals usual behaviours are and what isn’t, they’re also let out to roam around (which we do not allow any more if they’re unaccompanied nor do we allow anyone who isn’t part of the immediate family around the animals because we’ve had a couple abused, and we have heard stories of other animals being abused) so we definitely do know when the animals have been raped if they’re bleeding and we have noticed emotional changes in the animal. Of course I can point out that the animals I know have suffered because I know them? Just like you would know if your cat or dog was harmed

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LAHallucinations · 14/12/2023 14:02

There was a story the other day about a woman who stabbed her dog to death with a 12 inch kitchen knife. She got off with a suspended sentence, so I’m unsurprised by this man’s punishment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-67638526.amp

Erica Tavares looking at the camera for her custody mugshot

Mum launched fatal knife attack on family dog - BBC News

Erica Tavares is given a suspended sentence after stabbing the animal during a "complete breakdown".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-67638526.amp

pickledandpuzzled · 14/12/2023 14:43

There are two different ends of looking at it. What the man did was disgusting, abhorrent and clearly marks him out as dangerous to others- and if targeting a child he would be the same level of perverse and abhorrent.

The man’s behaviour is equally awful, but the target of the abuse isn’t considered as important in law. That’s important to distinguish as otherwise farming and the meat industry would be in a pretty pickle.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 14/12/2023 14:53

Sick, absolutely sick.

itsmylife7 · 14/12/2023 14:57

When I think humans can't get any worse and then I read this.

Fucking sick perverted Man.
The only good thing is his picture being published.

SaturdayGiraffe · 14/12/2023 15:02

What does it take to receive prison time these days?

peakygold · 14/12/2023 15:10

Why on earth did the original OP believe this was something worthy of debate on MN? Sickening

SammyScrounge · 14/12/2023 15:14

Libertyy · 14/12/2023 11:18

My biggest concern is when people have gone onto becoming serial killers and serial child abusers they have usually started off with animals, usually very low level then gradually increased the scale of their crimes. I worry this will be the same situation. He’s only embarrassed and upset because he got caught, when people are charged for crimes against children they’re rightly on a bar list for life, why isn’t the same done for our animals? Children and animals are both vulnerable targets for people with twisted morals like him. I wouldn’t want him around children either, if you can harm an animal like this there isn’t anyone who you couldn’t harm

Fred West was taught by his father how to have sex with animals. Look how he ended up.

Santaiswashinghissleigh · 14/12/2023 15:19

At the very least a belt tied round his neck too.
Trampled to death would be great..

puncheur · 14/12/2023 15:26

LondonLass91 · 14/12/2023 11:36

And why do they say 'have sex with' when it's rape. It's absolutely disgusting and cruel, he should be locked up with the other evil sex offenders for life. How his girlfriend is sticking by him..what an absolute div she must be.

Because as far as the law is concerned, only humans can be raped.

Verv · 14/12/2023 15:36

Itslegitimatesalvage · 14/12/2023 13:24

I’m sorry but where is this happening regularly enough that you can point out all the animals who have been raped with such a regular occurrence that you can pinpoint that as the common factor and therefore cause of any new behaviours?

Street dogs are regularly raped in India and environs. I have no doubt that the OP has insight, as do those who rescue in India.
If you are unable to suspend your disbelief at this assertion, google it.
The rape of animals, of any variety, is not uncommon.
There is, in fact, a pornographic market for it.

The common factor is human males.

saoirsekeane94 · 15/12/2023 08:03

I agree it's so disgusting, when I read further details it's really sad. He'd been doing it for 7 years and was strangling the calves with his belt. The farmer's wife was treating them for pneumonia thinking they were sick because their breath was so laboured, in fact it was laboured due to being strangled and raped by this monster.

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Plantlady10 · 15/12/2023 08:25

curaçao · 14/12/2023 13:25

I dont think you want to kbow about breeding procedures in farm animala.Electric ejaculatuon where a big electric probe is put up a males rectum and his muscles shocked.Artifical insemination of animals, flushing them out to harvest their embryos and transplanting them into other females wombs
Not to mention theahooting of male calves, the unsane milk yields forced on dairy cattle.
To equate we treat animals to humans is bonkers

I agree with this. Of course what this man did was awful, but it always feels hypocritical when farmers say they care deeply about their animals when farming itself is full of cruelty and animals are ultimately just profit. All farm animals ultimately end up dying too young, alone, in fear. Where are the caring farmers then?

ohsuzannah · 15/12/2023 11:53

His "girlfriend " should be ashamed of herself consorting with this evil disgusting man 🤬

DontListenToWhatYouveConsumed · 15/12/2023 16:34

@ohsuzannah I wonder if she herself was hoping he was getting a custodial so she could escape this vile, disgusting degenerate?
Do we really believe he does these things to animals yet treats his girlfriend like a princess?
I cannot see that.
It sadly is a matter of law that has allowed him walk without a custodial sentence.
At least we have his picture. It may serve a purpose to some unsuspecting woman/daughter/son/farmer in the near future.

Itslegitimatesalvage · 15/12/2023 16:59

@ohsuzannah

Any comments directly about the man without referencing the woman? Or did you just want to have a go at the woman?

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